Guest The Hypnotic LFO Room Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 I have to disagree with you Kim on the digital vs. analog. By the way I am one of those producers that worked in the Butterfly studios And I consider my new work just as fresh as anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taika-Kim Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 Well, then I need to definitely check out your music (a quick google) Ah, it's you. Hmm I hope this does not sound offensive, but I never was so much into your stuff from the mid 90s, I always felt it was missing exactly that feeling of either depth or energy that I like. But I definitely need to check your new music, I find that as long as the passion is there, people's cooking gets better the older they get I think it's just a matter of becoming more aware to nuances instead of just the salt and ketchup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taika-Kim Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 Oh, I have one example. Ianuaria had a side project, I'm not sure if anything proper came out of that, Purple Rabbit or something like that, the previews he have sound good, something a bit like old Kox Box, Psychopod or some more "liquid" stuff in that style. (on a side note, I heard Kox Box a few days ago, and MY, what a mediocre set he threw...maybe with only Frank E now, the sound is not quite as complex as it used to be... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Hypnotic LFO Room Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Well, then I need to definitely check out your music (a quick google) Ah, it's you. Hmm I hope this does not sound offensive, but I never was so much into your stuff from the mid 90s, I always felt it was missing exactly that feeling of either depth or energy that I like. But I definitely need to check your new music, I find that as long as the passion is there, people's cooking gets better the older they get I think it's just a matter of becoming more aware to nuances instead of just the salt and ketchup. I do not take any offense. taste is taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Portamento doesn't sound old school, whet are you talking about? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Your post isn't critical at all because you're not representative to judge, speak or wage any truth about the newschool Goa. So, next time when you gonna quote me, go and listen to some other music besides Astral Projection and Electric Universe. Think about it. Think more about it, and than come, quote me and I will be more than happy to enlight you. Byebye. And this is yet another attempt from you trying to make me look silly, but it isn´t working. I said I know 5 percent of newschool goa trance because that is what I really listened through and was not bored after the first two mintues of multilayered copy and paste melody patterns and standard synth presets. If I count every newschool track that I played it would be much more than 5 percent so your attempt to point at me is not working. You think you are the one who is able to judge who can judge the newschool scene and who isn´t? Well, if I am not able to judge and have a false view of the truth, why are there other users who complain that newschool goa trance has multilayered copy and paste melodies and too loud production and digital sounding boring synthpresets? There must be a reason to that, don´t you think? I can tel lyou, if I had the mood, I would create real oldschool goa trance that does not remind of newschool goa trance at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reger Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Ah, it's you. Hmm I hope this does not sound offensive, but I never was so much into your stuff from the mid 90s, I always felt it was missing exactly that feeling of either depth or energy that I like.Braindance as collab was real good track in my opinion, also Live in Antaris festival 2009(?) is to my liking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Crossing Mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taika-Kim Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 To bring the discussion back to topic Psysutra: Nice, a bit 80s space, a bit 90s german acid, a bit goa... And I like those airy backgrounds. Trinodia, Astrancer: Sometimes you can hear from two consecutive notes, that you won't like it. This exactly the kind of neo-sound that I don't like. Too tense, and those faux-eastern scales make my ears bleed. But then again I never liked that Israeli style so much... Skarma: That live set on Soundcloud is again over the top and tense. But the track Allanum show promise, I like those Hallucinogen influences, altough the whole thing doesn't quite hang in balance yet. And gets a bit out of and towards the end. Tomocomo: I like the loose composition, but I have a big problem with this style where even the long melodic lines are so much out of tune. Of course it's all subjective, but I think mixing melodies and this kind of almost atonal approach takes more skill than she has. But there are definitely good moments here and there. Also I never was a huge fan of the Japanese sound. Jikooha: OK, but again it's this almost completely hard lead and arpeggio led style pitched all the way up. What I'm really looking for is the sound with a bit more nuances and subtle variety. Before it went all 1998 though. I think it's almost two different styles. I think a big part of what I'm talking about came from the UK. I'm not saying that this is the only style I like, only that it's curious there's no following and no artists? Are newschool artists limiting themselves on purpose on some innovation to carve a niche? I was listening to Terrafractyl today for example, and really liked that... But I guess some neo-goa fans will say that his sound is too "modern". Did somebody of his contemporaries accuse Mozart that he used too many notes? So maybe I'm looking for Debussy instad here? Romantic instead of baroque, or let's say symbolist even Portamento: Technically good, and there's variety and movement on the tracks. It's not just going forward full speed all the time, there's time to play around with the sounds too. Much more my kind of sound, but still gets too much out of hand at times with those detuned saw leads and stuff. Tone down this sound a bit, and we're close to what I'm looking for. Would be happy to hear this live. Erta Ale comp I remember trying to listen to when it came out, but didn't like it that much, too many annoying tracks again. Aurax: I really like this kind of dry acid sound, Hummus for example growls pretty nicely. The tracknames make my brain hurt My basic gripe: gets out of hand at times with those melodies. Ufomatka: Too broody and depressing. But I can see he has a style. Dragon Twins: Technically superb, lovely dry sound, and the acid and filter sounds sound are exceptionally good. Again gets totally out of hand with those silly high pitched arpeggios and stuff at times. Good tempo. Too bad the melodies ruin this for me, this is unlistenable I think with time these guys (gals?) might mature into something quite classic. I think writing good melodies is very hard, and that's where a musicians true skill is weighted. There are a lot of good engineers on the scene, but making classic quality stuff takes a rare gift that sadly not everybody has :/ Arronax: boring, again all the tracks sound too similar, and there is zero innovation on the melodic side. Amanians: Good oppressive hard sound, I quite love this. Could use a bit of restraint at times, but still manages to keep the balance most of the time. Definitely some of the better acid stuff I've heard recently. Just a bit tasteless with the melodies occasionally, minus that, and this would be near classic. Let's Meet on The Other Side is really good, the rest variably weaker. Proxeeus: Handsome guy Did I say, hmm, again gets out of hand a lot of the time with the high register stuff. I like his production style though with the sounds so clearly defined, I think it's good to take a clear stand instead of just throwing delays, reverbs and stuff on everything out of habit... Or then do the spatial stuff properly. But excellent, excellent melodies occasionally. I quite adore that clear legato style (Tyca Tyca for example). Refreshing approach to bass mixing compared to most modern stuff with the bass pitched so high and clearly defined. Needs some sense of originality, nuances maybe and a slight smoothing of the sound, but very promising. Would work well on an outdoor party. It's good to see his productive too, and open with sharing the tracks. Psychowave: Nice mix of the festival sound with goa. Sometimes annoying faux-eastern melodies and too much arpeggios, but mostly I would be happy to party to this. Moon Bindi is great! ¨ Imba: Sometimes OK, nice smooth sound, but again the same thing that turns me off almost all neo-goa: all those high pitched silly arpeggios all around, my ears are hurting But definitely some good moments here and there. Ethereal - Anima Mundi : Listening now again to this for the first time since it came out. Compares actually quite favourably to some of the neo stuff out there. Some of this I might actually listen for fun at home Like Flamedancer, nice. I think if this album had some memorable Man With No Name etc style leads, this could have been a real classic. I love the atmospheric sounds here. Just a bit featureless, but then again a good soundtrack for space exploration or something like that For some reason I'm reminded of Torakka's Far Out Express here, an album that for some reason sank without much notice, altough it was lightyears better than what was usually produced in Finland at that time. I mean... Nice: Elysium's Ride the Snake remix: Good, altough could use a bit of colour. As I said earlier, experience brings a sense of nuances, there's an effortless quality to the track that's easy to like. Ah, and the old collaborations, I like Sheyba, Kaaya and Kailash a lot! Especially Sheyba is just fantastic... It's funny how some artists turn out fantastic collaborative tracks bring out stuff that's better than either artist's solo efforts. (The only solo album I've heard is Monzoon, which was mostly just too boring for me) So, the search goes on Thanks for the suggetions so far! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Hypnotic LFO Room Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Colour? If you set out to say why you don't like something you have to explain it better. Lack of "color" says nothing mate I am fine with the fact you find Elysium boring. Taste is taste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oopie Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Kim, I thought about it and there's hardly such producers you're looking for. I want to be honest here (I'm also looking for them in fact). One who is quite successful in creating a bit of shakta/moonweed vibe with his acid-driven tracks is Doc Von Ooze. You might like his In Vitro EP (that's all he's released so far I think). Second I'd like to mention is Morphic Resonance. He released an EP a while ago and it can be found on Ektoplazm. He's talented and has obvious similarities to Etnica/Pleiadians, has knack to let the tracks build slowly and sound strong without getting on the nerves. The EP he released is good I think, but he's one that has even better productions coming out in the future I'm sure. Third and last would be Galactic Mantra. Again just an EP out this far, this guy likes to devote time to each track. Has that extra sense for nuances and his lead melodies are fantastic display of emotion without entering the cheese zone. The really good tracks by him are 'Gate Of Light Spirits' and 'Temple Of Cosmic Sun'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxeeus Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 Thanks for all the suggestions in this thread, will def' check all these artists out as well! (and thanks Kim for your feedback too!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taika-Kim Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 Colour, I mean just a bit more layered sound, with more crunch and tweaks. Then again I really like the more progressive and minimal sound on it's own terms. But everything I'm writing on this thread should be viewed in context of the original quest to find modern producers who make something that recalls the more trippy but still melodic productions of the old days... (was listening to some old Process today for example, gooood stuff!) Because often it seems to be only the one or the other. One might ask, why not just look for good music? That is a good question indeed, and I will now go sleep over it And Oopie thanks! I'll check those after the Natural High festival There's still time to take part in a different kind of experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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