Manuser Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 An example of a goa track by Koxbox, admire the complexity (Life is) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted September 20, 2014 Author Share Posted September 20, 2014 For me that is not real goa trance, but much closer to psyntrance. Goa trance is more progressive than this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolmot Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Arguing over whether KoxBox is Goa or psy is like arguing over whether this sentence is yellow or green. It's hard to read on the light blue forum theme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 i have to disagree. i don't see any randomness in the big blue or bird's lingva franca. it all just fits together. the melodies in bird's lingva franca may seem random in isolation, but as a whole track one flows into the other. you need one of them to lead to the next and the climax wouldn't be climatic if the previous melodic lines weren't there in that fashion. imho that's great storytelling. There's also another fact to consider and both of those tracks share cheesy melodies. As great as BLF is the melodies after 7:40 become really predictable and cheesy. Also from a purely audio design standpoint Maia runs circles on either track. Maia is flawless. It just needs a remaster. In terms of layers, I think Filteria has to win in that category. In terms of musicality, there are many artists who have made more complex music, although that does not necessarily mean better. Pleiadians definitely had a very fascinating and well though out approach to melodic structures.Agreed. And not everything-pleiadians was perfect either. It's just that certain tracks cross a fine threshold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Arguing over whether KoxBox is Goa or psy is like arguing over whether this sentence is yellow or green. LIME! In that case Koxbox is obviously full-on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 LIME! Chartreuse, actually (I've been seeing a lot of it recently thanks to all the Syro hype). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHex Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 after studying their music for years i must say that this is a correct sentence modulation probably one of the most complex track ever created Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 LIME! In that case Koxbox is obviously full-on. fluorescent!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I think Radi gave us proper explanation, KoxBox shouldn't be labeled as Goa trance, no matter the fact they were one of the earliest artists in the genre and no matter the fact that Dragon Tales is considered to be one of the few Goa trance album which can be considered as essential. He's got right, it's psytrance and there is no progressive elements in their Goa trance (which are present in Astral Projection and Electric Universe, for example) and it shouldn't be labeled as 'real Goa trance' like Astral Projection and Electric Universe.Now I will remove KoxBox's Dragon Tales from my Goa trance folder and place it into psytrance folder. Thank you Radi! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 ou can wyou wt icchpa, but many people label Hhallucinogen - The Lone Deranger as psytrance instead of goa trance and the music on The Lone Deranger is more linear than the music on Dragon tales. In my opinion goa trance is more linear than psytrance and not as experimental. Psytrance is more experimental and that´s the reason why it can be labelled as such. Goa trance is more focused on melody and acid sounds, but if Dragon Tales is labeled goa trance, then I am the one who is wrong here it seems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oopie Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Now I will remove KoxBox's Dragon Tales from my Goa trance folder and place it into psytrance folder. Thank you Radi! Yeah, I think the only reasonable thing to do is to sell my copy of Dragon Tales as I only collect goa cds... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaoseed9 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I respect the opinion of Radi, simply just to remind him Goa trance has too many kinds like: dark ,uplifting, morning, twisted, experimental, tribal(spiritual), acidic, Goa tech, forest etc. Koxbox is more twisted psychedelic and complex than other Goa trance groups and artists .But is still Goa trance!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Hypnotic LFO Room Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I think it's a dead end sometimes to explain a few members here that Goa-trance is not only Etnica, Astral etc... It seem like they just got no clue or are too fixated on melodic goa-trance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaoseed9 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Must respect all opinions. But the truth is the melodic Goa trance influences is everywhere. Thats why all Nu school Goa based on this kind, and are clones of old Astral Projection Etnica, Transwave, M.F.G., M.W.N.N etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Hypnotic LFO Room Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Must respect all opinions. But the truth is the melodic Goa trance influences is everywhere. Thats why all Nu school Goa based on this kind, and are clones of old Astral Projection Etnica, Transwave, M.F.G., M.W.N.N etc It only mean that nowadays people in the scene has forgotten the roots of the scene when they only focus on melody. Lets debate what trance is in its pure essence. usually a melody is not really that hypnotic unless it repeat a very basic pattern with very few or no changes in key etc. The essence of trance is therefore not melody but rhythm. A lot of melodic goa-trance is not very rhythmic based (except for simple 4/4 beat with some cycling hi-hats and a snare) as it concentrate mostly on layers after layers of melody and effects and voice samples instead of simple hypnotic rhythms that will guide the dancer into a state of "trance". Now I do not say melodic goa-trance is not Goa or less good. I just strongly believe the new and also the old wave of goa listeners has lost their way a little and forgot about diversity when it comes to goa and has been wrongly told that melodic is the right kind of goa-trance.. I am not out to tell people what to like but when people start to claim that certain founders of Goa (and yes also psy) are not Goa-trance because they have a very narrow view on goa-trance. Then I have to protest in the name of the history of Goa-trance In the golden days of Goa-trance parties contained everything within the broad definition of Goa-trance...It had a beginning (slow chilled tunes) a night (faster darker music and even industrial) and morning with less fast "morning" trance that contained melodic, ethnic, tribal and everything in between. I always played as a Dj or live after sunrise as I was considered a "morning" DJ/live-act with my certain ethnic, tribal (very much based on drumming) and yes also melodic goa.... my 2-4 cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaoseed9 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 It only mean that nowadays people in the scene has forgotten the roots of the scene when they only focus on melody. Lets debate what trance is in its pure essence. usually a melody is not really that hypnotic unless it repeat a very basic pattern with very few or no changes in key etc. The essence of trance is therefore not melody but rhythm. A lot of melodic goa-trance is not very rhythmic based (except for simple 4/4 beat with some cycling hi-hats and a snare) as it concentrate mostly on layers after layers of melody and effects and voice samples instead of simple hypnotic rhythms that will guide the dancer into a state of "trance". Now I do not say melodic goa-trance is not Goa or less good. I just strongly believe the new and also the old wave of goa listeners has lost their way a little and forgot about diversity when it comes to goa and has been wrongly told that melodic is the right kind of goa-trance.. I am not out to tell people what to like but when people start to claim that certain founders of Goa (and yes also psy) are not Goa-trance because they have a very narrow view on goa-trance. Then I have to protest in the name of the history of Goa-trance In the golden days of Goa-trance parties contained everything within the broad definition of Goa-trance...It had a beginning (slow chilled tunes) a night (faster darker music and even industrial) and morning with less fast "morning" trance that contained melodic, ethnic, tribal and everything in between. I always played as a Dj or live after sunrise as I was considered a "morning" DJ/live-act with my certain ethnic, tribal (very much based on drumming) and yes also melodic goa.... my 2-4 cents Probably did not understand me. i say what happen today, not that i like. i would like to have something similar today with U,X, Slide, Darshan, Undercover, the infinity Project but there is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 i would like to have something similar today with U,X, Slide, Darshan, Undercover, the infinity Project but there is no. I think all of us would like that to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I think it's not fair to put all the newschool artists in the same basket of comparations with AP, MWNN, MFG, etc. I think there are artists and producers nowdays who are trying to build their own sound and style aswell. But I agree with you guys that most of the nowdays scene is based on the mentioned acts and it would be interesting to see more diversity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Hypnotic LFO Room Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I think it's not fair to put all the newschool artists in the same basket of comparations with AP, MWNN, MFG, etc. I think there are artists and producers nowdays who are trying to build their own sound and style aswell. But I agree with you guys that most of the nowdays scene is based on the mentioned acts and it would be interesting to see more diversity. Agreed. I should have written "some" or maybe the majority 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuser Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 In the golden days of Goa-trance parties contained everything within the broad definition of Goa-trance...It had a beginning (slow chilled tunes) a night (faster darker music and even industrial) and morning with less fast "morning" trance that contained melodic, ethnic, tribal and everything in between.Exactly, for example Darshan - Awakening always was considered a Goa album, and it is. It sounds way different than MWNN or Etnica and thanks God not all goa trance sound the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radi6404 Posted September 27, 2014 Author Share Posted September 27, 2014 I love the Infinity project and it is one of my favourite bands, but they are more linear in sound than Koxbox. Koxbox is not as linear as other goa trance acts and much mroe experimental. That is the reason why I thought it is psychedelic trance and not goa trance, even the old albums. Now people pointed out that Koxbox is goa trance aswell and I accept it. Not that someone gets me wrong: I do like Koxbox a lot, but I did not think it is goa trance, that is all. Besides that I do think that Boris Blenn, Astral, Etnica and MWNN are the absolute pioneers of goa trance and Koxbox is not on the same level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NightHex Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 oldschoolers used hardware 100% new wave almost 100% softwares so..music cant be the same also one above said that the new wave is focuse only on melodies not really ..i like to make my music very chaotic for ex but majority ..yes ..they re focus on melodies and stuff goa should sound very cold /raw / powerfull blah blah these are the things that made me start writing music pleiadians/bypass unit etc ..thats the real deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desysko Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 I disagree about what you said about the new wave. There are plenty of artist that use hardware for their tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHex Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 i said almost", yes probably they are ..but when softwares also are involve the sound is not the same my opinion/ nothing more can u point me artists using mostly hardwares ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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