Rank1 Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Hi, I have known this forum for a few years now but just signed up. I am not a psy guru like most on this forum. I am more of a expert in normal trance, if that's what you call it here. The problem i have with psy is there is never a proper melody, it is mostly just repatitive nosies. I check out most popular releases and best rated and i am most times disappointed. I usually appericiate the production behind it, some tracks are really well produced and have really cool sounds and trippy effects but at the end they fall flat and get boring from not really having a melody. I have heard in the psy scene that when something has a nice or cachy melody it is quickly classified as cheese? I know that psy moved towards a less melodic genre from goa, but are there any artists that are producing very melodic stuff? and i am not talking about cheese either, but something with nice melodies? That is the problem i have with psy, they are just tracks with nosies and not much context, it's like if i tried to think of a track in my head, i couldn't do it as there is no real melody to go with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desysko Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 So I'm assuming you aren't referring to Goa but more of the other variants of Psy-trance, right? The only major subgenres that I can think of that really don't have melodies are darkpsy (no offense to folks of that scene but I just can't get into it at all, and there probably is melodic stuff but whatever) and the "progressive psy" that is actually minimal music that has some sounds from the psy scene. Regarding your comment on the cheese part, from what I've seen/read it is usually with Full-on (which folks still debate whether if it should be called psy or not, who cares about that now). Here's some stuff I found quickly on Ektoplazm that you may enjoy: http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/astropilot-emptiness- One of my favorite releases ever http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/pettra-middle-eastern http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/interconnekted-cyclic-journeys http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/reaction http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/jikkenteki-flights-of-infinity But as you will notice, they all have a common theme: they are tagged as either Goa, Full-on, Morning or Progressive. Like I mentioned, I don't really listen to the other subgenres that much no matter how much I tried to; so I hope that other folks will contribute with some other stuff. I would say that Psy-music isn't for everyone, not that not everyone can listen to it but simply that some folks are more interested in other aspects of music that others. It took me some time to actually "listen (that is to not hear just kicks and sounds but subtle stuff)" and enjoy psytrance. Also I just have to ask since you happen to choose that name, are you by any chance connected with the Rank 1 group? I recognized that since I listened to a lot of older Rank 1 tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHex Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9EeI1nL_3w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 I really like the melodies in these: For something a bit more recent, you could try Kiriyama or Stereofeld. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desysko Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Oh yea, pretty much check out anything from Ovnimoon records, they tend to have good stuff (especially Ovnimoon's latest album(s)). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Eye Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 2 melodic no-cheese favourites of mine: Zirrex - Ritual Dance. Fullpower melodic psy. Algae Bloom - The Blossom. The artist calls it "daypsy" as it's a bit difficult to classify. And loads and loads of goa trance but that's kinda melodic by definition Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desysko Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 Algae Bloom - The Blossom. The artist calls it "daypsy" as it's a bit difficult to classify. How could I forget to post that. Definitely one of the best albums of recent times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandinasia Posted March 2, 2015 Share Posted March 2, 2015 The problem i have with psy is there is never a proper melody, it is mostly just repatitive nosies. I check out most popular releases and best rated and i am most times disappointed. Hey man ! We have the same concerns as you do here. On Psynews.com, we are very attached to the most creative aspects of psytrance, and a lot of us love melodic psytrance and melodic goa trance. We defend a certain idea of psytrance, but today, most of the releases in the realm of psytrance are mediocre. The big names - Ace Ventura, Liquid Soul, Captain Hook - barely produce psytrance. The scene is dominated by noise-makers. A second issue is that psytrance rely on codes that can appear as osbscure from the newcomer. Certain forms of so-called "night-time" psytrance rely on rhythms and atmosphere to build musical patterns, and are, by essence, un-melodic. Raw, dark, twisted forms of trance avoid melodies in order to create sinister atmospheres. That's the case of twilight trance, zenonesque, dark psychedelic and forest trance. Now, know that there exists some kinds of psytrance that rely more on melodies. Melodic Goa Trance is the topmost of it. Basically, it is Goa Trance (i.e. organic psytrance > smoother than generic psytrance) with a more poetic feeling. This school provides delicate music, and can even evoke classical music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdbRvzCRKhM The melodies at 03:40 is an example. A more striking example is the orchestral blows given at 04:34. Another piece of Goa Trance that could be translated with classical instruments is this one : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gRlBkaDvQY Stéphane Bèze, the man behing the Crossing Mind Project, uses classical influences to build up Goa songs : https://soundcloud.com/crossing-mind/life-forms To finish, there is one Goa project that is generally very welcome by "normal Trance" people : Antares. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsN8zINFcWI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Twilight releases are psytrance with many melodies. Maybe not the melodies you're looking for though. They're usually simplier, less epic, but cathcy neverthless. For example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hD4-Be25j8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yTXmjyM12w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rCmrDkXCUI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYMzI0T8oEE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH5emtqK4Bc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 What is a "proper melody"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Eye Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 1200 Mics - Egypt (Eat Static Remix) Now that's some properly melodic fullon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rank1 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 I am still not feeling most of the samples people posted, there still is not much of a melody for me, or nothing that caught my attention. I always thought goe evolved into psy trance and that most artists only produce psy now? Are there any artists producing goa? I guess it's hard to say as genres are mixed together nowadays. I love Yahel's old work but now he is rubbish, also some of Astrix's old stuff was nice.I love Shpongle for downtemp/ambient stuff. The melody that comes in at 3:56... is that classified as cheesy in psy/goa world? anyway it is catchy and has always sounded nice to me. Some more oldskool Yahel goodness If anyone can recommand artists that have similar style to yahel's old stuff, that would be awesome. As for the question if i am connected with rank1, no but i am a fan and i guess that's where i got the name from Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rank1 Posted March 3, 2015 Author Share Posted March 3, 2015 Oh yeah i do like some 1200 Mics. As for proper melody, listen to some of the yahel stuff i posted. I think yahel is hated in psy world tho? maybe sounds to mainstream to you guys, not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JISNEGRO Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Well, I guess you should check this out http://datrecords.bandcamp.com/album/blue-planet-corporation-a-blueprint-for-survival Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scandinasia Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 Not satisfied ? My answer : Journey Into Sound. Check 03:15 for melodic climax. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mafj76U1HSw&list=PLygWqO36YZG1pYtsFHHc1EAT8xnwA_0Ai Chek the rest of the album. Bonus : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pgpg05ownw Are there any artists producing goa? Goa is alive and kicking. It attracts more and more people. It has almost passed away in the beginning of the 2000', but now it is fancy again. The newschool Goa scene is influenced by psytrance, but some artists keep producing a very pure style from the 90's. Regarding Yahel, I don't dislike his first 2 albums. The further releases are not my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Are you looking for key changes, or just melodies in general? There's a ton of melodic Goa out there, some of it less tuneful than others of course Also some very melodic psytrance. Here, compare and contrast. Melodic psytrance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ebkvYBMk2Q New school melodic Goa: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5gbk2SVYis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The melody that comes in at 3:56... is that classified as cheesy in psy/goa world? anyway it is catchy and has always sounded nice to me. not necessarily. too cheesy for my usual goa playlist, so avalanche and for the people reside in my trance playlist instead along with waves of sound (which is even more cheesy) but generally we're used to much worse cheese from fullon (ahem... electro sun....), so it's (mostly) fine. everything is relative. also, there are many "trancy" goa tracks, which for almost all of us (at least us goa nerds) are below the cheese threshold while still having beautiful and simpler melodies. try these: 3:41! 7:59. 3:49! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desysko Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Oh main, Electric Universe's Rain is such a beautiful track. I regret not listening to that compilation sooner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shpongled247 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Terrafractyl, the thread. Not going to link to a million tracks as you can find for yourself. Actual melodies however perhaps a bit jazzy for some, specially on this forum for some reason. Also, Spacey Koala is doing similar stuff inspired by him but still quite good. Enjoy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynos Posted March 7, 2015 Share Posted March 7, 2015 Everything by 12 Moons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celaripo Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 hey bro i totally understand where you coming from european trance got memorable melodies psytrance not so much you have to dig into old goa trance the following tracks got proper melodies etnica - trip tonite transwave - land of freedom man with no name - vavoom power source - goaway elysium - trancelestial psychobabas shakta - lepton head deedrah remix any memorable melodies in todays "new" goa trance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaza Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 any memorable melodies in todays "new" goa trance? So many. So, so many. The whole reason I drown myself in goa trance is the way traditional psy and trance considered melody secondary for so long. Filteria - The Big Blue Filteria - Earthrise (although it's hidden under a chaotic goa masterclass) Filteria - Dogs Day Bliss Fiteria - Birds ... you can see a pattern here. Also: Artifact303 - Beyond Lightspeed (original and E-Mantra remix) Goasia - Dancing With The Blue Spirit Goasia - Black Khava Goasia - Visitors (I absolutely adore the way this melody comes through at the end, probably not quite what you're looking for though) Chromosome - The Spirit Molecule (not goa but superb) Ra - Spirit Complex Just to start with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celaripo Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 thanks dude ill check this out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theqlogic87 Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/embed/o9PCfPXWBFg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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