Triptomine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 and one of the biggest section on Ektoplazm(dedicated to dark releases) it's all results of russian mafia's work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkraver Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 and one of the biggest section on Ektoplazm(dedicated to dark releases) it's all results of russian mafia's work? Ha ha ha.. So is it a big ass AI programmed by someone pumping out Dark releases then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triptomine Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 And this guy in charge of the Fullon section 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 My problem with a lot of Darkpsy isn't that it's unmelodic, but that it's too narrow rhythmically and uses the same kinds of effects too often. Much of it sounds like a version of full-on, just with more sound effects and without the buildup to a lead melody. It's still psytrance, just stripped of its rock and pop influences, which are the elements that make psytrance interesting to me. I liked the Noise Gust album (even if parts of it sounded a little generically psytrance) and I like some Ghreg On Earth and Derango. Also ECT is a musical genius. Not sure if you'd call his tracks darkpsy or not, I just know that they're amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnb820 Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 Ha ha ha.. So is it a big ass AI programmed by someone pumping out Dark releases then? Now this is a conspiracy theory I can really believe in! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 @Padmapani Think you missed my point on darkpsy if you strongly disagree with my post. Ofc goa produces will also tune their synth sounds, but the focus is different. As you say it on your own, you don't care about those random piercing noises, but the darkpsy guy will do. On the other hand the darkie will not care about those random note melodies (aka ARP), which are essential to goa. As you say, it's a matter of perspective i'm not disagreeing with your whole post, but with the point i quoted. an arp is not simply random melodies, it's a chord played in sequence. if it's done right you can make wonderful progressions unfold without sounding cheesy or "classical". but i agree that some goa producers (even the big ones; newschool and oldschool) sometimes create loops with melodies that don't have any coherence or storytelling and just sound like, well, random notes taken from an oriental scale put together just for the purpose of creating any (irgendeine beliebige) melody, just because goa trance is expected to have lots of melodies. i do see some purpse to some very few darkpsy fx (scatterbrain, psykovsky - last bus madras, lunarave (even if they're not really darkpsy)) and like the result, but the rest of the genre sounds as random to me as filteria or shakta sounds to the darkpsy nuts (i'm not saying they're free of guilt of just putting together random melodies. but it's not the majority of their material) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celaripo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Go listen to some good old Psychaos or Slide for example and then come tell me about groovy bass. This doesn't come even close.both are alright but psychaos = overrated overall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 So is it a big ass AI programmed by someone pumping out Dark releases then? with google deep dream turning pictures of white noise into a psychedelic landscape, i'd expect that the psytrance generator isn't too far off 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 My time machine works! I'm back in 2005! Hello good darkpsy again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goa constrictor Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Also ECT is a musical genius. Not sure if you'd call his tracks darkpsy or not, I just know that they're amazing. See, like the Psychopod "Stop the Carnage" post, ECT is not, to me, darkpsy. If darkpsy sounded more like ECT and Psychopod, I'd be a lot more into darkpsy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Well he does release on Parvati, so someone at that label has good taste 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goa constrictor Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Yeah, I'm very glad that the darkpsy scene is into ECT He's a good force in their world Squwark, Mr Jolly Lives Next Door, Ants for Breakfast (or whatever the fuckall it is called) ECT is the shit. Mind meltingly killer psychedelic music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 but the rest of the genre sounds as random to me as filteria or shakta sounds to the darkpsy nuts I have never once seen a darkpsy nut express the opinion that Filteria or Shakta sound random. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I have never once seen a darkpsy nut express the opinion that Filteria or Shakta sound random. i've heard that from people into darkpsy and also people who are into fullon. both are typically not that well suited for newbies to the genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkraver Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 I got to disagree with that. When i first discovered Goa I was in love with Navigate! as it had immense power. I could easily couple it and Toi Doi with Darkpsy. both are typically not that well suited for newbies to the genre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triptomine Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Not paying attention to the technical side( mixing and etc). What is the the difference between THIS and the most part of modern dark tracks? I'm talk about IDEA,MESSAGE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 I think there is still a different between 145-150 BPM dark psy and 180-220 Hi Tech... And specially the Hi Tech is now SUPER popular. They are both psychedelic, but the second tempo is simply undanceable for me. Its too fast, I can just wave a leg... not jump or trance on it... That's the reason why I simply can't connect to it at all...But as said here, the young generation is into it. It has funny consequences. The VERY big teknival/hard fast Tekkno/Hardcore scene of France (where goa almost died out) is now changing rapidly towards Hi Tech. So, on Lost Theory for example, they had 10 times more French people this year compared to last year! So, no more Teknivals, lets go to psy-trance shift is there now... Unfortunately it doesn't add much to a nice atmosphere imo... No extravert dancing, no sunlight, no smiles, too much drugs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Is Hi Tech just a new name for Psycore? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Is Hi Tech just a new name for Psycore? yes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Eye Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 no smiles Unless you've taken enough MDMA... too much drugs Unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Unless you've taken enough MDMA... http://gph.is/1jodD3e Oh Crap, how does this work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 don't worry. if the psytrance you're dancing to is psychedelic enough, it (arguably) looks a bit less scary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martian Arts Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Bashing darkpsy is so 2004. Get over it, different people like different things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Can I please bring up the idea from page 1 again ... a computer program that writes trance would acutally be awesome. Imagine, a live set would just be the program combining some new, ever continuing track out of a mix of samples and parameters. And every two minutes, it recombines its parameters, a short break and boom, new preset. Sparkled with the occasional voice sample. On and on and on ... no expensive DJs anymore, no expensive live gear ... just the program. Inexpensive and effective. Or is it ... actually bone-chilling scary...? Anyway, with all due respect and tolerance that is in me, I really dislike Hi-Tech and the way where the darkpsy scene is going. I can do nothing but laugh when going on the Hitech floor. I don't laugh at people, I laugh at the situation ... this concept is so un-connectable for me, so devoid of anything that I seek in music. It's ununderstandable for me how anybody could seek it. And that's the scary thing for me, because I never thought I could dislike anything in the psy scene EVER. I was wrong. Where has the GOOD dark stuff gone? The stuff like that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ysE8dlDQsc Chills down the spine. Where the so called "darkpsy" of now just does not deliver... Any input? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Hi-Tech is not supposed to be dark, but mind fucking.To be honest I'm suprised that many ppl here dislike Hi-Tech. Apart from the high bpm which can be polarizing the whole idea of weird sound effects is a major characteristic of Psytrance since day one.I also shake my head at the you must be on drugs to enjoy it. Isn't that what outsiders accuse Goa and Psy for? I mean we try to convince people that music is the drug and now a Psytrance subgenre is accused of being a drug music.Honestly this is a major flashback of 2001-2002 where hardcore goaheads believed that Full On was only popular because of e. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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