thanosp81 Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 Artists should aim for the listeners ear. If they go for the Dj then you are trying to make by definition commercial music. But if you target for the listener, then creativity is endless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkraver Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 By listeners you mean himself, if you target a particular audience & make something to please them, it's nothing but commercial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goa constrictor Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 By listeners you mean himself, if you target a particular audience & make something to please them, it's nothing but commercial. Yeah, I'll agree with this one. I think that's one of the reasons Timo keeps his tracks short. He gets bored and doesn't care about fluffing the tracks with dj-friendly minute long intros and outros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neogoa Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 I remember Principles Of Flight lovely album 'Chaos Opera' had a DJ friendly version and afaik, tracks were a bit longer with aditional kickdrum-only intro and outros. Anyway, I think that artistic creativity and storytelling shouldn't be bounded by certain lenght. Someone can express himself or herself in 5-6 min long track, someone else creates longer story and scenario and needs more 'space' for his vision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkraver Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 There's this 12" with nothing but a bassdrum I don't remember the name exactly. Spanning 15-20 seconds and selling for 40+ on Discogs. I could not believe it Edit : Found it. Fix your mixing problems with this: Ha ha https://www.discogs.com/TR-909-Bass-Drum/release/1649771 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goa constrictor Posted August 21, 2016 Share Posted August 21, 2016 That's hilarious and brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LunarDawn Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 My fav so far from this mini LP is High Energy Protons w. Juno Reactor, just kicks my nuts properly And I just love how Richpa and Mina made those visuals for yt videos... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antic604 Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 My fav so far from this mini LP is High Energy Protons w. Juno Reactor, just kicks my nuts properly Hmm, interesting - I found that one to be the least inspired, although the original is so great that one hardly needs to do anything to make it a good tune. Still, Orion's remix is unbeatable, even better than the original, IMO. Regardless, that's one hell of an album and I gave it 5/5 in my review. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oopie Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 Hmm, interesting - I found that one to be the least inspired, although the original is so great that one hardly needs to do anything to make it a good tune. Still, Orion's remix is unbeatable, even better than the original, IMO.Tastes I know... but the Voodoo people rmx is my pick of them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted August 22, 2016 Share Posted August 22, 2016 IMO it would be a million times better if they would replace the full on basslines with twilight ones. As much as I like the music the bass scream Israeli poppy full on, while using twilight ones it would give to the tracks an underground feeeling. Just for the record I have the same problem with literally every Goa producer who turned to Full On. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neogoa Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Actually, I feel humbled and honored to host this happy poppy fullon release on our label instead of underground twilight production. Probably our opinions, when it comes to mediocre 'psytrance' differ, at some point Ormion -Richpa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I don't say that the whole album sounds like poppy full on, only the bassline. I really think that there is a contrast between the bass and the rest of the music. While the music is some serious goa/psytrance the bass is too clubby. That is all. I really believe that a less high pitched bass would make the music sounds closer to the old dark, more sinister UX sound. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I don't say that the whole album sounds like poppy full on, only the bassline. I really think that there is a contrast between the bass and the rest of the music. While the music is some serious goa/psytrance the bass is too clubby. That is all. I really believe that a less high pitched bass would make the music sounds closer to the old dark, more sinister UX sound. I don't get your comments at all. Technically, full-on and twillight bass are almost the same thing, maybe the filter envelope is set slightly differently. If a bassline works in the context, it is good. Astrix and Electro Sun use hi-hats, should "serious" artists ditch them? But what I sincerely hate the most is the concept that "serious" psytrance should avoid this or that element. This leads to craploads of "serious" but utterly boring and formulaic music. Imo, the only thing "serious" psytrance should avoid, is being boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Why you guys get worked up? First of all I never mentioned the word serious in my posts. Second of all what you say is what I say. Context. Astrix and Electro Sun use full on clubby bass cause it fits their music. Can you imagine an Astrix track with a darkpsy bass? It wouldn't work. Similarly UX music is more spacey and less clubby. That's why a clubby bass doesn't work in this album IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antic604 Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 I really believe that a less high pitched bass would make the music sounds closer to the old dark, more sinister UX sound. While I loved the new album, it will never be closer to the "UX sound" without Pete Martin. I guess Kris & Pete were contributing different things to the UX sound: Kirs - as evidenced by this album - is great in creating atmospheres, textures, chords / pads and rhythms, while Pete was all about those crazy, labyrinthine, wiggly acid melodies & riffs. Too bad they don't work together anymore, because that was an unbeatable combo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted August 23, 2016 Share Posted August 23, 2016 Why you guys get worked up? First of all I never mentioned the word serious in my posts. Second of all what you say is what I say. Context. Astrix and Electro Sun use full on clubby bass cause it fits their music. Can you imagine an Astrix track with a darkpsy bass? It wouldn't work. Similarly UX music is more spacey and less clubby. That's why a clubby bass doesn't work in this album IMO. I very much agree the kick creates a big contrast to the rest of the music, but I'm personally not bothered by it for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anu Katariina Posted August 24, 2016 Share Posted August 24, 2016 Ahhaaaa. I gotta love psynews and all semi-sarcastic comments here. Face it: no matter of any genre definitions this UX album will be in most ppl's top 10 of 2016 when we harvest the ripe in early January! Lazarus did rise! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antic604 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Late 2016 in best scenario, early 2017 in worst scenario. As usual, it will be available through Neogoa Bandcamp page, but with longer pre-order period, probably 2 months. @Rich, any update on planned release window for "A Realm of New Dawn" ...and whether or not it will include "Lazarus Rising" as a 2nd CD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 @Rich, any update on planned release window for "A Realm of New Dawn" ...and whether or not it will include "Lazarus Rising" as a 2nd CD? We're slowly getting ready to the finalization of the album. I can't confirm date yet, but we have artwork ready and soon I hope we will start the mastering for the 'new' tracks. It will include material from Lazarus, but not the complete Lazarus. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antic604 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 We're slowly getting ready to the finalization of the album. I can't confirm date yet, but we have artwork ready and soon I hope we will start the mastering for the 'new' tracks. It will include material from Lazarus, but not the complete Lazarus. Great! Can you at least share which tracks from "Lazarus Rising" will be featured on there? And will they be the exact same versions or edits / remixes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 I can't share the tracklist yet, but be sure that the best moments of Lazarus release will be included on the new album, so consider The Realm Of A New Dawn to be ultimate Ultimate Xperience release. More about it in the official topic when we gonna have more details to share. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antic604 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I can't share the tracklist yet, but be sure that the best moments of Lazarus release will be included on the new album, so consider The Realm Of A New Dawn to be ultimate Ultimate Xperience release. More about it in the official topic when we gonna have more details to share. Thanks, fair enough. The reason I ask is because most of tracks on "Lazarus Rising" are pretty long and therefore there's only 7 of them, while "A Realm of New Dawn" is supposed to have 10 tracks, out of which 5 are from Lazarus, which would leave little space on CD for 5 new tracks. Sorry for being so inquisitive about this, but I loved "Lazarus Rising" and I'm starving for any and all info on the upcoming release 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richpa Posted October 10, 2016 Author Share Posted October 10, 2016 We never said it will be 1 CD release So don't have worries, as I pointed out, the new album will include finest Lazarus material plus the new music that will be exclusive on CD release with long enough pre-order period so all people who might be interested to get this one will have an equal chance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antic604 Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 We never said it will be 1 CD release Now you really got my imagination going... "Lu.ci-ana"-like ambient CD / track from Kris would be amazing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anu Katariina Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 Heya! i am also waiting for the CD. In case it includes my fav track Lazarus. So what's it gonna be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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