Blair Thaumic Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 OK. So, I like almost all old Goa. Melodic, unmelodic, fast, slow, repetitive, non repetitive... you get the idea. Here's a challenge for you, should you choose to accept it. Is there Goa that even I can't like or defend in some way? No nitzonot, since that's really its own style (Greek uplifting is allowed.) Also, include some reason for your pick (I may or may not agree, but it's more interesting that way.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted July 9, 2016 Author Share Posted July 9, 2016 BTW, even Brainfood is welcome if I hear a good enough case against it. Here's my case /for/ it. Yes, it's a repetitive album, both from track to track and within the tracks themselves. And it's not especially melodic most of the time, favoring spiralling, interlocking patterns over tuneful riffs. Here's the thing. I like those qualities. I find its repetition entrancing, even groovy in a way. Tracks generally don't progress or 'go anywhere', but they are dynamic: they rise, fall, and rise again. And the sounds that it does use, besides being deployed in a fairly trippy manner (see above), are a good balance of organic/acidic and cosmic/spacy. Some tracks do have nice melodies/riffs as well (Paradized, Tranceformation) Nor do I mind the somewhat dated sounding production. The album has a dreamlike quality, and slicker production wouldn't necessarily be right for the atmosphere that it wants to invoke. If that doesn't convince you, fair enough. But I honestly find it good and highly original, so it puzzles me that it's considered one of the worst Goa albums ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 here you go, try this: the majority of the track is very boring, mainly rhytm elements with an annoying timbre played with an annoying rhytm. this is followed by pointless melodies with out of tune notes at the end. or maybe this: it has increadibly annoying patches playing annoying out of tune melodies that don't fit together with the other elements of the track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 4:45 on the SAG track is damn powerful! And the stripper track has lovely guitary leads and an atmosphere. I love both of those tracks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted July 9, 2016 Share Posted July 9, 2016 Greek uplifting is allowed You asked for it Also, include some reason for your pick (I may or may not agree, but it's more interesting that way.) Audio vomit. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Eye Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 here you go, try this: the majority of the track is very boring, mainly rhytm elements with an annoying timbre played with an annoying rhytm. this is followed by pointless melodies with out of tune notes at the end. Hey, I played this in a DJ set last summer, no way it can be bad as I don't play crap music 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 maybe you tried to make the following track seem extra awesome by contrasting it with the above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goa-Head Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Am afraid that if I mention Ingmar Veeck topic climax is soon reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkraver Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 ^ Avi Missim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oopie Posted July 10, 2016 Share Posted July 10, 2016 Trans-Lucid. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 this springs to mind https://www.discogs.com/Evolution-Oscillating-Phenomena/release/80442 i have a love hate relationship with german goa i either love it or hate it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celaripo Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 definitely power source 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHorse Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Now let's wait for the first neo goa name(s) to appear? Who is brave enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celaripo Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 new born? =) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyHorse Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 new born? =) Haha! Haha? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Now let's wait for the first neo goa name(s) to appear? Who is brave enough How about a whole (double!) album? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 How about a whole (double!) album? How is it worse than most neo-goa out there? I can't say I especially like it but to me it sounds pretty average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ormion Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 How is it worse than most neo-goa out there? I can't say I especially like it but to me it sounds pretty average. I think it was terribad. I barely managed to listen to it once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkraver Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Powerful Dancefloor baseline(many other things can make one dance!!) + crap melodies + repeated samey sounds represented in a same way = truly bad Neogoa Put a name to it if you want @HH 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 here you go, try this: 1st track is solid. Eerie floating sounds, a playfully growling midrange lead, industrial percussion, and a lot of atmosphere. Where it's lacking is in the arrangement; it doesn't really have an ending and feels as rushed as its title. Still not bad. I've always thought that that artist sounded like a poor man's Kris Kylven... less polished, but the ideas are there. The 2nd track is right up my alley. Groovy bass and brain twisting melodies. I like the saturation/distortion on the riffs, it reminds me a little of BOTFB. The track also reminds me of Masa and the Tokyo Tekno Tribe compilations somehow. B+ and A for those respective tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Now let's wait for the first neo goa name(s) to appear? Who is brave enough the topic explicitly stated that it's only about oldschool. besides, the choices (wonderboy, omegahertz) would be too obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted July 11, 2016 Author Share Posted July 11, 2016 You asked for it Kinda cheesy. I like Psychonauts - Shadow Of The Moon, and some Cyan, but I didn't know about this stuff. Are there a lot of tracks like this one? ...OK, now I'm further into the track and it sounds vomitous indeed. Everything's working at cross purposes to everything else, nothing gels. Yeah, I'm willing to call this bad. C- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 this springs to mind https://www.discogs.com/Evolution-Oscillating-Phenomena/release/80442 i have a love hate relationship with german goa i either love it or hate it I love the downtempo tracks on that album. Evolution - Shiva Technology is a bit worse IMHO, but I didn't want to include it considering how far back the tracks date. And there are some good ones even there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 definitely power source I don't hate Power Source, but I always thought Goaway was a ridiculously overrated track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blair Thaumic Posted July 12, 2016 Author Share Posted July 12, 2016 Am afraid that if I mention Ingmar Veeck topic climax is soon reached. Is he that bad, though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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