To be up in the food chain

[Anu Katariina]

Hi ppl, let's talk about food. Every other subject is inevitably already covered

 

I had a kind of awakening during the past year considering food. Much of it is to be done with this movement in Finland called "Biohacking", which nevertheless is a global thing.

 

In the past I just ate like everyone around: in student cafeterias, after that in working place provided lunch places; much carbs, lots of milk products.

 

Today I make sure I get these necessary things: good quality omega 3's, spirulina and chlorella, OPTI-MSM + chelated molybdene, MCT-oil, natural vitamine C as camu camu or acerola, non-GMO soy lecithin, soaked almonds, vitamin D up to 150 mcg daily, magnesium and L-glutamine, raw egg yellows. Sounds hi-tech?

 

Only limiting thing is money. Ofc healthy eating would be a favourable in every matter but it costs . I order stuff via iHerb from the US and I pay taxes from every delivery + the delivery costs. I would do this even more but as for now my budget is 300 € for a month that I can just tolerate.

 

I have experienced a big change in energy levels upon this diet checking. Anyone here going through the same/have opinions/awareness? The thing is that we as human beings are up in the food chain and everything we eat from "lower" levels adds up. This is my so called awakening

[SixZeroFou4]

High fructose corn syrup.. no good. Plays with your hormones.

 

Hydrogenated oils of any kind.. no good. Hardest to get off.

 

Pure pomegranate juice mixed with 1 hour of continuous cardiovascular is key. Continuous due to getting the body in the Krebs cycle to maximize the health benefits your diet will bring.

 

A nice mix of protein/carbs/healthy fats. Mine is 70/20/10%.

 

Oh and a nice multi vitamin that includes pro-biotics.

[Starkraver]

Hi ppl, let's talk about food. Every other subject is inevitably already covered

 

I had a kind of awakening during the past year considering food. Much of it is to be done with this movement in Finland called "Biohacking", which nevertheless is a global thing.

 

In the past I just ate like everyone around: in student cafeterias, after that in working place provided lunch places; much carbs, lots of milk products.

 

Today I make sure I get these necessary things: good quality omega 3's, spirulina and chlorella, OPTI-MSM + chelated molybdene, MCT-oil, natural vitamine C as camu camu or acerola, non-GMO soy lecithin, soaked almonds, vitamin D up to 150 mcg daily, magnesium and L-glutamine, raw egg yellows. Sounds hi-tech?

 

Only limiting thing is money. Ofc healthy eating would be a favourable in every matter but it costs . I order stuff via iHerb from the US and I pay taxes from every delivery + the delivery costs. I would do this even more but as for now my budget is 300 € for a month that I can just tolerate.

 

I have experienced a big change in energy levels upon this diet checking. Anyone here going through the same/have opinions/awareness? The thing is that we as human beings are up in the food chain and everything we eat from "lower" levels adds up. This is my so called awakening

Hello Anu

 

Wonderful topic. You are absolutely right, what you feed your body reflects how good/bad it is. Its known to everyone but to realise and act on it is a challenge.

 

more often the compulsion to eat more (be it junk or not) causes trouble and its very tough to control that urge (at least to me, with all that good food around )

 

I'll leave that hi-tech stuff to you guys. Over here , if you are not in the cities and if you are with around family. No need to plan any diet. It'll be taken care of by our mothers - who are mostly vegetarian. So meat is gone.

Swapped colas, beers and other drinks with coconut water. Amazing stuff this one! So they are also gone.

Not a fan of chocolates and pastries but there are a lot more sweets which I love to counter it I started eating karela , fuck! Bitter as fuck! but over the years I have started liking the taste So sweets too are kicked out.

Only thing I got to look out for is the rice and oily foods like Puri's and Wada's. hi hi..

 

Our diet is usually very high proteins with legumes forming a part of our everyday meal.

 

These are what I have completely stopped like (99.99% )

NO - soft drinks, outside food, deep fried food, rice, meat, cheese, junk

 

This is my everyday's intake

Yes - A glass of milk (cow milk), an egg , breakfast is usually a multi grain dosa or ragi dosa, afternoon meal 1 veggie made out of legumes + 1 veggie made out of roots or other veggies + flat bread made out of Jowar or wheat + curd (no meal without curd) + a ton of tropical fruits when in season.

 

Previously it was CRAP! Every single meal I used to outside, street side food + cafeteria crap food + take outs.

 

The changes that I have observed - I have ultra sensitive oily skin, which hates oil+junk. My digestion is at its best now. Waaaay more energetic and also I'm slightly more focused, sleeping time has reduced to 6-7 hours/day (except during the onset of monsoons, I got to enjoy the cold breeze after crazy summers )

 

You can always grow it yourself or find a substitute no.?

 

Bitterest thing I've ever tasted - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momordica_charantia(check out the Indian variety, looks like alien fruit!)

Something that I really like these days - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleusine_coracana

 

And then there is heavy usage of turmeric , ginger , garlic and other spices which have immense health benefits inherent in our cooking. So all I got to do is eat at home

 

(You can check out the pic from the other topic where me and padmapani are conversing regarding the same)

[Padmapani]

i don't believe in "high-tech" either. every few years (or rather months lately), new superfoods and supplements are heavily promoted. sometimes there's weak scientific evidence, sometimes there's none. but we've seen many supplements come and go. sometimes even because they're proven to be harmful (some time ago vitamin a was heavily promoted, but then people realised that taking vitamin a increases your cancer risk instead of decreasing it as people thought before. the next step was putting vitamin e everywhere, replacing the vitamin a hype, but recently a huge study found vitamin e supplements to do exactly nothing. same with omega-3 fatty acids).

of course every hype lasts a few years and the companies selling these supplements make a lot of money in the meantime.

 

the thing is many healthy chemicals (like vitamins or omega-3 fatty acids) only exhibit their healthy effects when you eat them in conjunction with all the other chemicals found in foodstuff. if you eat carrots containing vitamin a you'll decrease your cancer risk, if you eat fish containing omega-3 fatty acids you decrease your cardiovascular risk, but if you take vitamin a supplements you actually increase your cancer risk and if you take fish oil capsules it only decreases the contents of your wallet. this is all scientifically proven.

 

of course if you have a diagnosed deficiency you should supplement until you're back in normal range, but outside of that the only effective thing you can do for maximising health benefits is: cook yourself, use fresh ingredients, eat a diet with lots of variety (including some meat).

of course there are some foods with more benefits than others*: fish is good, so are eggs, greens, whole grain stuff, olive oil, coconut water, spices like tumeric, ....

others are more problematic*: mustard oil, heated highly unsaturated fats, fats high in omega-6 fatty acids (there's an ideal ratio of omega-3:omega-6 to look for. eating saturated fatty acids is preferable to eating unsaturated ones with a ratio that's way off), high fructose corn syrup, old/heated honey, ...

raffinated sugar is not among the problematic ones (as you commonly hear). at least as long as you know what it does (producing a short peak in sugar concentration leaving you hungry after a comparatively short time) and don't consume unreasonable amounts. after all, all carbohydrates have to be turned into the same few building blocks in your intestine to be taken up by your body. once these are in your bloodstream there's no way to tell if they came from raffinated sugar, coconut water, an apple or whatever.

 

*i'm too lazy to look up any sources here; others might disagree.

 

 

@starkraver

you have dosa up there? i thought it was a speciality only really available down south.

i loved dosa when i was in india. it's extremely difficult to get the ingredients over here. the restaurants say "we only have nothern indian food" and when i tried buying the components, i got strange looks "you really want to make it all yourself??? the only thing we have here is instant-dosa mix".

[Starkraver]

I am from South! (Karnataka)

 

North Indian food is a little heavy on hmm everything ha ha, they go big on ghee, curry, paneer, meat and potato..

 

@only north Indian food - That's bad. Good south Indian is faar more tastier and healthier.

 

I love Dosa's too. My favourite breakfast! Especially Light Crispy crunchy ones'.

So did you make them.? How were they?

 

If you are into cooking , I can definitely share some Dosa recipes, my mum is a master dosa maker! Trust me when I say this. I have had dosa at thousand different places but the crispy paper dosa's she makes beats the crap out of everything else. Not saying as she is my mum, seriously! Sadly she her idli sambar is not the best :/ its my 2nd favourite breakfast.

I think she makes around 10 different dosa's and are like very very easy and instant. Worth trying.

 

I have had my fair share of "instant dosa mix' when I used to live in bangalore. Add curd and off you go ha ha. They are not bad but not the best.

 

Also, there is a similar thing from Ethiopia. They have their own "wonder cereal" which is fermented and then made into dosa like stuff. Cant recall the name. Seen it on - Tales From Bush Lader by Kiran Jethwa (very nice show! check out if you are a foodie, there's also a cultural angle to it)

[Starkraver]

@Padmapani's post - Very well put. I kinda intended to say the same but I strayed and completely missed the point. Lack of sleep!

 

Which reminds me ,

 

For peak performance of your body , along with good food , good sleep and exercises are a must. They all complement each other.

[Starkraver]

 

Teff - Ethiopia's super food

[Padmapani]

ah, then it's clear. somehow i thought you were from further up north.

 

they definitely do. it's nice and savoury and all, but not something i could eat every day.

agreed, i have no idea why north indian food is so popular everywhere and south indian food nowhere to be found (except in a few places like singapore where there people of indian descent are mainly tamils). most people over here don't even know that south india has a different cuisine.

 

we finally took the instant mix (rice flour and urid dal aren't too easy to come by), but went for the full masala dosa. it took a few tries to get the batter to actually turn into a dosa, but finally it worked out more or less . sadly neither the sambar nor the chutney turned out remotely as good as i hoped, so all in all it wasn't worth the effort.

 

very easy and instant recipes sound intriguing for sure (and they're surely also better than some random reciple i'll find on the internet), but i'm doubtful if it's really easy or even doable without access too all ingredients or without specialised equipment (the owner from one of the indian restaurants in our city told me they couldn't even make dosa if they wanted because they have not enough space in the kitchen? though i'm not quite certain that he knows what he's talking about )

 

that looks interesting and tasty. almost like a mixture between dosa and austrian bread, though i guess it's pretty different in reality. and i guess teff flour is also pretty much impossible to get in most places.

[Starkraver]

I think you are good to go with a mixer and a pan. I know what you mean by - "a few tries" I have been there myself the pan has to be hot or else the batter sticks.

 

Look out for recipes & may be a short video sometime next week or so. No sambhar here, but only potato sabzi & chutney.

As I said mum isn't an expert in Idli & sambhar , meaning sambhar! Idli is child's play we don't do sambhar over here , traditionally we have 'bele saru' that is sambhar like but without any veggies and excessive but only having Dal & basic masalas.

 

No space in the kitchen, lol to that.

[Anu Katariina]

Juicy answers, looking forward to post mine in the evening

[Anu Katariina]

I named this topic as "food" because that is my point, not supplements. Uff, I don't know where to start, have a million things in my head.

 

Here's an appetizer. It will take place in Helsinki in November.

 

The thing behind this biohacking movement is that it is not an "opinion". It is gonna be our future. Internet changed the world and this will change it as well because everything will be more individually characterised, all food recommendations, all excercise recommendations, all. Technology will make it inevitably happen in a long run, now it is just a hobby of a few.

 

It would be ideal to eat "home food" highly concentrated in nutrients but it is difficult. If I want to find fish to prepare it is a big job to find fresh and right kind of fish. Grown salmon found in everyday stores will not do, it is poor in omegas. So unless you are a wife of a fisherman it is handy to take care of omega 3 to omega 6 ratio by fish oil that is as close to a natural occurring fish oil as it can ever be. Fish oil cheeper brands have the oil in ethylester form and may contain synthetical vitamin E: bad. Here's one brand that tastes awesome when bit broken (the best way to test the quality is to taste it).

 

 

 

Fish oil should always be taken with antioxidants, e.g. spirulina algae, to overcome oxidation that happens somewhat also with the best brands in storage, transportation, heat changes and so on. @ Padmapani: what happened to synthetical vitamins (the research) won't happen to omegas because fish has been a part of human diets from ancient times: what hopefully will happen is that omegas will develop more and more to match naturally occurring fish oil.

 

I try to avoid anything synthetical. That's why I don't like the word "supplement" because if I dig deeper and gather information a few things are as they first seem. So the substance becomes food to me if it is manufactured in the best possible way to meet body needs just like food does or very close to it. For example D3 that I use is from lamb wool embedded in coconut oil and it normalized my S-D-25-OH levels that were <25 nmol/l (severe deficiency) when I ate just "normal food". We Finns do not usually get enough vitamin D from the sun. What is controversial is that official recommendations say 10 mcg of vit D is sufficient from a diet but biohackers recommend 10 times more and it worked for me. I actually use 15 times more than the recommendations say.

 

Sea algae spirulina and chlorella are far from "supplements". They are food. NASA astronauts eat spirulina. UNESCO has declared spirulina as “blue gold” and the United Nations as “food of the Millennium”. Spirulina is an alga with high value proteins, vitamins and antioxidants. It is estimated to have at least 20 times more protein than soybeans and 400 times more than beef. But the thing is with these algae to be aware of the manufacturing circumstances. I use the most expensive brand there is: The Health Force Nutritionals: the taste is yammy and I can be free from contamination fears. https://healthforce.com/Takes money but I rather be without than use suspicious algae grown e.g. in China.

 

Synthetical stuff in my list are magnesium, L-glutamine and OPTI-MSM + molybdene. Magnesium is safe and widely used, L-glutamine has been part of sports nutrition for decades (glutamine is the major amino acid in muscles) and taking extra prevents muscle catabolism and OPTI-MSM + molybdene I use to get sulphur for joints and skin because I don't eat loads of onions to get enough sulphur (sulphur has to do with metabolism of collagene).

 

@Starkraver: Indian food is delicious. Turmeric is also healthy for liver. As for Teff it is gaining more and more popularity as glutein free and mineral rich flour: stock is running out (yellow and red balls) except in Hakaniemi, close to where Pauli lives, lol http://kauppa.ruohonjuuri.fi/teff-jauho/FOODIN-6430051829468/dp

[Anu Katariina]

This is my everyday's intake

Yes - A glass of milk (cow milk), an egg , breakfast is usually a multi grain dosa or ragi dosa, afternoon meal 1 veggie made out of legumes + 1 veggie made out of roots or other veggies + flat bread made out of Jowar or wheat + curd (no meal without curd) + a ton of tropical fruits when in season.

 

And then there is heavy usage of turmeric , ginger , garlic and other spices which have immense health benefits inherent in our cooking. So all I got to do is eat at home

 

This sounds so much better to me than an average diet over here. Tastes good, too, I bet.

[Padmapani]

It would be ideal to eat "home food" highly concentrated in nutrients but it is difficult. If I want to find fish to prepare it is a big job to find fresh and right kind of fish. Grown salmon found in everyday stores will not do, it is poor in omegas. So unless you are a wife of a fisherman it is handy to take care of omega 3 to omega 6 ratio by fish oil that is as close to a natural occurring fish oil as it can ever be. Fish oil cheeper brands have the oil in ethylester form and may contain synthetical vitamin E: bad. Here's one brand that tastes awesome when bit broken (the best way to test the quality is to taste it).

 

 

 

I try to avoid anything synthetical. That's why I don't like the word "supplement" because if I dig deeper and gather information a few things are as they first seem. So the substance becomes food to me if it is manufactured in the best possible way to meet body needs just like food does or very close to it. For example D3 that I use is from lamb wool embedded in coconut oil and it normalized my S-D-25-OH levels that were <25 nmol/l (severe deficiency) when I ate just "normal food". We Finns do not usually get enough vitamin D from the sun. What is controversial is that official recommendations say 10 mcg of vit D is sufficient from a diet but biohackers recommend 10 times more and it worked for me. I actually use 15 times more than the recommendations say.

 

Sea algae spirulina and chlorella are far from "supplements". They are food. NASA astronauts eat spirulina. UNESCO has declared spirulina as “blue gold” and the United Nations as “food of the Millennium”. Spirulina is an alga with high value proteins, vitamins and antioxidants. It is estimated to have at least 20 times more protein than soybeans and 400 times more than beef. But the thing is with these algae to be aware of the manufacturing circumstances. I use the most expensive brand there is: The Health Force Nutritionals: the taste is yammy and I can be free from contamination fears. https://healthforce.com/Takes money but I rather be without than use suspicious algae grown e.g. in China.

 

Synthetical stuff in my list are magnesium, L-glutamine and OPTI-MSM + molybdene. Magnesium is safe and widely used, L-glutamine has been part of sports nutrition for decades (glutamine is the major amino acid in muscles) and taking extra prevents muscle catabolism and OPTI-MSM + molybdene I use to get sulphur for joints and skin because I don't eat loads of onions to get enough sulphur (sulphur has to do with metabolism of collagene).

 

 

it doesn't matter if your vitamin e comes from natural or synthetic sources. once you have the pure compound it's just vitamin e (well, of course it's a lot more complicated. there's a whole family of different compounds called vitamin e, but there is no reason why synthetic vitamin e couldn't be identical to "natural"). the point is there are hundreds or thousands of flavonoids, anthocyans, tannins and whatnot and many of those can influnce not only uptake but also the effects of your vitamin e. if you're deficient of course you can compensate with supplements just fine, but for valid health benefits, you have to eat the fruit.

 

we've had an in-depth discussion, reviewing the current literature about omega-3 fatty acids, at university 2 years ago. again it doesn't matter that your fatty acids are extracted from fish; if you take capsules with only fish oil you get zero benefits. no one knows exactly why that is, but the studies have been done and that's the best evidence we have. if you want the benefits, you have to eat the fish.

the good thing about science is that every hypothesis gets put to test in reality. the hypothesis that taking more omega-3 fatty acid should lower your cardiovascular risk was a good and logical one, but it's one of countless good and logical hypotheses that simply didn't stand up to reality. every time such a thing happens, nature is just more complex than we anticipate and i'm sure we'll figure out how to get the beneficial compounds from a fish-rich diet to work without having to actually eat (more) fish (than our oceans can support), but at the moment we have no clue.

 

here in europe (even down here in austria) it's very easy to be deficient in vitamin d. especially with the indoor/work lifestyle we have. i know lots of people who are taking supplements. again synthetics work just the same as vitamin d from natural sources, as long as it's d3 there is no difference.

we still aren't sure where the optimal level of vit. d should be. there are a few different recommendations. having higher levels than you'd get with the rda appears to have some cancer-protective effects. but in contrast to some other vitamins, a hypervitaminosis exists here, so excessive use can lead to serious side effects.

 

according to my definition, if you use it for cooking it's food; if you take it in a capsule then it's a supplement or drug

 

yeah, glutamine is very useful when your body needs to produce/rebuild lots of muscle or connective tissue. it's certainly useful when you to some extreme sporting or have had an injury or operation.

magnesium is a nice thing as a supplement. your body takes it up when needed, but excretes excess magnesium by giving you the shits. so you can take as much as you want without serious side effects (as long as your kidneys are fine). it's also often used as a laxative for exactly that reason.

(but i don't get why you put magnesium under synthetic. magnesium oxide (or whatever) is a mineral. how could it not be "natural". i mean to say that the distinction is pretty useless here.)

[Anu Katariina]

Seen it on - Tales From Bush Lader by Kiran Jethwa (very nice show! check out if you are a foodie, there's also a cultural angle to it)

Found it in YouTube! I will watch it this weekend, took a peek, looks cool

 

 

if you take capsules with only fish oil you get zero benefits. no one knows exactly why that is, but the studies have been done and that's the best evidence we have. if you want the benefits, you have to eat the fish.

the good thing about science is that every hypothesis gets put to test in reality. the hypothesis that taking more omega-3 fatty acid should lower your cardiovascular risk was a good and logical one, but it's one of countless good and logical hypotheses that simply didn't stand up to reality. every time such a thing happens, nature is just more complex than we anticipate and i'm sure we'll figure out how to get the beneficial compounds from a fish-rich diet to work without having to actually eat (more) fish (than our oceans can support), but at the moment we have no clue.

I am pro science, I have studied in medical school for 5 years (haven't graduated due to quirky Bosnian post-war circumstances that made me leave the university back then) but in this omega matter I need to disagree with you somewhat because omega 3 to 6 ratio can be measured and looks like taking omega capsules does have an effect on the ratio. Whether it is to do directly with health benefits still prob needs further knowledge. I always take my omegas with food that contains protein and carbs, also antioxidants, and spirulina has them all.

 

according to my definition, if you use it for cooking it's food; if you take it in a capsule then it's a supplement or drug

 

This is a finespun matter because I think astronauts eat their food from tubes and likewise, hehe.

 

As for magnesium you are right, the distinction is useless.

 

 

 

[Anu Katariina]

@Padmapani: I am curious to know your opinion about the shrooms considering their potential liver toxicity. I would never try shrooms just because of liver issues; wouldn't be willing to take the risk

[Starkraver]

@Padmapani: I am curious to know your opinion about the shrooms considering their potential liver toxicity. I would never try shrooms just because of liver issues; wouldn't be willing to take the risk

This never occurred to me which filling my mouth with dozens of trippy beauties and talking to sparrows in the past. Last year one of the friend got admitted with just 5! He was in the ICU for weeks!! Scared the shit out of me.. I was thanking our good time that it didnt happen to me and the boys in our repeated trips to the magical Palani Hills..

Good scary times ha ha..

[Anu Katariina]

This never occurred to me which filling my mouth with dozens of trippy beauties and talking to sparrows in the past. Last year one of the friend got admitted with just 5! He was in the ICU for weeks!! Scared the shit out of me.. I was thanking our good time that it didnt happen to me and the boys in our repeated trips to the magical Palani Hills..

Good scary times ha ha..

Okay, even less willing to experiment when hearing this and does not even have anything to do with liver toxins. Damn, psynewsers, why not to take life as it is or if not then get wasted by one liter bottle of vodka as we do over here: that's how at least one gets the pros and cons quite stable

[Starkraver]

Chi chi .. Alcohol is baaaad!

 

Put on psykovsky , crank up the volume , dance like a monkey , waaaasted!

Or

Listen to Andreas Gehm concert and enjoy the ACID head

Or

zzzzzzZZ with some classy ambient who needs. Energy Level = -10 he he..

[Starkraver]

I can understand your point but you have to see it from my eyes. I ain't living in a Nordic country topping all development and social indices. Where I live alcohol is an easy to source substance which destroys families, reduces women to nothing but slaves and devoids children of their rightful childhood happiness which in turn fucks them up and they turn into anti social elements or addicts or depressed fucks or in some rare cases something great.

 

It's one thing which I feel very strongly about I've seen many people suffer from this menace called drinking. Fuck them for fucking the lives of their near and dear ones'.

 

With drugs it's completely different. You give them a chance or two to recover and after that you can let them be themselves, they'll be happy in their own twisted world till they are able to source what they need after that they will end up doing some shit but with alcohol there's this sustained mental and physical torture every evening and the next morning you have to live with the same person. Imagine how humiliating it must be for all those women who depend on their husbands for food. They are nothing but modern slaves.

[Starkraver]

+ fatty liver , liver cirrhosis & so on

[Anu Katariina]

Imagine how humiliating it must be for all those women who depend on their husbands for food. They are nothing but modern slaves.

All you said is true in here also except this quoted. Women rarely depend on their husbands but many families depend on social welfare. Social welfare is sufficient 1.if you don't use it on drugs/alcohol 2. if you don't have bank/credit card debts because these aren't taken into account in welfare calculations 3. if you are not a student. The third reason is valid for me: I can never count on getting anything from unemployment/social welfare benefits because I cannot be officially unemployed even though I'd be without a job because I will never ever give up my university status. Luckily I have done pretty well, though, over 25 adult years already.

 

A bit off topic again, haahahha (hey, it is me!!) but I am trying to explain there can be alcohol-derived poverty here, too, even though women aren't dependent on men.

 

And the point against shrooms is that one single dose can be lethal if one does not know 100% sure that the shroom isn't a killer shroom. That's why I asked about psy shrooms: are they safe or are they not..until 100% satisfying answer I would never ever take any.

[Starkraver]

Things are different over here. Even if a woman from the below poverty class chooses to go independent , life is hard, as many are not even registered in the database to get food at ultra cheap rates if they are, the problem of roof arises, we are building a huge number of houses for the poor but as some studies show, it's not just clicking for varies reasons.

 

IMO the worst are not the lower class, it's the middle class women who have an added burden of social stigma. And are so faar away from any job prospects as they have been homemakers for decades. They just accept that this is it. This is their fate, sad destiny gotta live with it, gotta die with it. Sorry for OT, let's end it here.

[Starkraver]

I have no idea about Finnish cuisine, same with Austrian. Never seen it on tv.

 

Btw Padmapani , have you had egg dosa?

[Anu Katariina]

I have no idea about Finnish cuisine

Here we go (I have Imgur now )

 

Karelian hotpot

 

 

Reindeer stew always served with smashed potatoes and lingonberries

 

 

Cured salmon

 

 

Moose roast

 

 

Fish pastry in rye bread cover

 

 

Blood sausage served with lingonberries

 

 

Bread cheese served with cloudberries

 

 

Blueberry pie with sour cream

 

 

Cinnamon rolls

 

 

To the last but not the least our Neogoa Rec 5th anniversary pre-party food in a Lappish restaurant (my own picture)

 

[Starkraver]

Reindeer, moose, blood sausage !

 

I can always try Bread cheese served with cloudberries , Blueberry pie with sour cream, Cinnamon rolls ( we have exactly same looking dish but no cinnamon , instead dipped in sugar syrup )

 

Is there any difference between Reindeer and Moose?

So you guys have Reindeer farms over there.?