Agneton Posted March 26, 2017 Share Posted March 26, 2017 And now Andrew Rayel is getting on board the "psytrain," producing "psytrance." Chanting? Check. Rolling or chugging bass? Check. Random triplets? Check. I blame Vini Vici for this. Yup, heard it as well on ASOT a few weeks ago. Psy is literally gonna be THE hype in EDM for 2017-2018, as it seems. The 'regular' trance & EDM producers that are jumping the psy-bandwagon are everywhere. That's not all, even hardstyle producers are raving about psy since the end of 2016. Read: http://www.hardnews.nl/en/psytrance-the-newest-hype-within-the-hardstyle-scene/ This is what's going on. It's for real. And yeah, Vini Vici is the main reason, as far as I can tell his remix to Highlight Tribe really caused a huge ripple in mainstream EDM land. Amazing how hypes work, actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted March 27, 2017 Share Posted March 27, 2017 I blame Vini Vici for this. Sesto Sento have made substantial contribution into transforming full-on into some sort of pop music. Now this guy does the same thing to progressive. I guess he will make a forest project next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meltwater Posted March 27, 2017 Author Share Posted March 27, 2017 Sesto Sento have made substantial contribution into transforming full-on into some sort of pop music. Now this guy does the same thing to progressive. I guess he will make a forest project next. Well, they're pretty much the same group right? Sesto Sento just has fewer 16th-note bass rolls. Of course, Vini Vici hasn't done any The Police remixes yet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsotsi Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 I think you're right about techno buddying up next to psy, lots more psy v techno sets happening nowadays too. For me it felt like the logical step was techno v goa as they both share a lot of similarities in song structuree while the psy i hear out n about is designed to be flipped into a new track every 3 minutes. I think the clean punchiness of psy and hard style work well together though and that makes sense to me. I also notice a lot more 3-4 minute tracks from people like Reality Test, who isnt vin vici but is a pretty close step as far as mainstream psy goes. Her stuff rocks though so no problems there. My main problem with the psy v techno arrangement is that festivals bring in the techno crowd, then online you see lots more vocal demand for House music to be added to the lineup next year. This is where i'd always draw the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychedelic chipmunk Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 Why can't they just call their music something else? Is there really money to be made by calling something "psytrance", when it so clearly is Not psytrance? Call the genre "club smasher" or something, I'm sure it'll get much more traction than poor ol' psy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anoebis Posted August 3, 2020 Share Posted August 3, 2020 The big change last years... Melodies are dissapearing again (the techno influence) so trance is less and less trance... But it goes in waves 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 @AstralSphinx Hey, the Miranda track above is quite nice, but has not much "PSY" in it at all and yes 3 minutes is short for trance/techno. Edit, yes I note it is not a very complex track and mostly arps thrown together... Btw. there are rap/hiphop titles often with 2.00 -2.30 length part of the WHY? is that Spotify gives you a play count for a 2Min. track already. There was one guy who uploaded 1 Min. snippets to Spotify etc. then promoted the shit out of it and played it with bots etc. millions of time. He made good money before someone noted the fraud...other reason is attention span of most people shortened which also is true for music. Even a 1Min. intro might be to long for todays listeneres and they just skip the track if it not brings beats or melodies etc. early on.. But what is "ASOT"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agneton Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Multi-Media said: But what is "ASOT"? "A State Of Trance", check wikipedia for more info: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_State_of_Trance 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 I think Van Buuren's collab with Vini Vici was an one-off. Sean Tyas who used to be a household name in commercial trance, has made some psy tracks which sounded decent but quite generic Protoculture, who had migrated from psytrance to commercial trance long ago, returned into psy as Shadow Chronicles (still with a lot of EDM/mainstream trance elements but not really cringeworthy) I think psytrance may be something of interest for mainstream trance producers as a production challenge, for being highly techncially advanced music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Eye Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 2:11 AM, AstralSphinx said: the emergence of Techno The unfortunate side effect of this is that what used to be "the chillout" at psytrance parties has in recent years turned into "the alternative stage" with people playing mostly techno and/or house with some chill in the beginning and/or end, at least here in Finland it has mostly gone that way. It used to be that when I was too physically and/or mentally exhausted to be on the main floor, I could go to the chill and just relax and melt into the music, and I can't really do that much anymore :/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted August 4, 2020 Share Posted August 4, 2020 Anyone knows "Die Grube" ? Was in the Sauerlandish woods? I remember we went there 3-4 times, it was mostly Goa what they played and the chill area was a chill area not a techno area. Was surprised to read Die Grube is even included in the German Wiki for Psy - must be closed now for some years. Then the last time we went there, we were dissapointed what they played...sounded more like techno to our (goa) ears. I asked a girl she said, "this is progressive psytrance", did not like it much at first. Later the sound grew on me and I even found some faves like Atmos, Vibrasphere. I need to remember other names I like from the progressive departement. But the chill was still chill.. the prog stuff was played on main floor. From what I read on Wiki being included in ASOT, would be quite a boost.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 10:22 AM, AstralSphinx said: Where do you think things are heading in todays Psytrance scene compared to back in 2016? this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 4:31 PM, Multi-Media said: Then the last time we went there, we were dissapointed what they played...sounded more like techno to our (goa) ears. I asked a girl she said, "this is progressive psytrance", did not like it much at first. Later the sound grew on me and I even found some faves like Atmos, Vibrasphere. I need to remember other names I like from the progressive departement. But the chill was still chill.. the prog stuff was played on main floor. OMG dude, do they still play that stuff? Old Skool Progressive Psytrance ... I'd travel some distance to hear that again, played on a dancefloor... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 16 hours ago, RTP said: OMG dude, do they still play that stuff? Old Skool Progressive Psytrance ... I'd travel some distance to hear that again, played on a dancefloor... Guess not, cause this location is closed... but I just googled and it seems in fact they re-opened but now are closed again this time "Corinna" is the reason.. But... from what I gather at this site they have moved away from Goa/Psy anyway "Das Frühjahrs-Programm stehe fest. Rock, Punk-Pop, Elektro-Punk, neuer Pop und Motiv-Partys und zwischendurch auch die “Brot und Butter” Techno-Veranstaltungen." https://www.schiebener.net/wordpress/die-grube-siedlinghausen-weg-vom-techno-image-hin-zu-musik-und-kultur/ But at least they have the new years goa/psy parties still: https://www.goabase.net/party/silvester-knallts-die-grube-201920/105576 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 @Multi-Media oh dear, that's too bad ... so they went into a completely other direction. I won't go travelling for this, sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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