Guest warriorpoet Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Could anyone confirm or deny for me the rumour that sales of psy/goa trance CDs and vinyl are in serious decline? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ketamine Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I hope it's not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Järsimähäiriö Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 It is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ketamine Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 I woudn't doubt it. It's a genre many people don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nefarious Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Give me a break....... so much cool stuff, get real!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zee-werp Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Thats because way too many people have been pirating the stuff instead of buying the real thing. In my opinion, if you hear some tracks that you really love or say you have some on your computer or CD that are pirated but you listen to them all the time, then you should go ahead and buy at least one release from that artist. Otherwise everything is just gonna go down the drain and artists will go broke. And if you want the best sound quality you're gonna have to buy it anyway cause MP3 is shit quality for the true psychedelic sound frequencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 Bah, there are just too many crappy releases. How many compilations are out already this year? And which of those are actually worth buying? These labels are doing it to themselves - how about a bit of quality control and VISION not "hey here's another psy cd full of bang-bang crap that's good for a whole month in some dj's case"... some music is made for the ages, and some is made for the moment. Which should you be releasing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::E.P Posted April 28, 2004 Share Posted April 28, 2004 basilisk then dont buy those CD's. Buy the stuff you do like It's as simple as that. If you dont you are indeed a thief in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grahf Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 I know for a fact that it is quite easy to acquire almost every single new release in the psy scene on certain file sharing networks. In fact, there are mp3 releasing groups that practically make an industry out of it. GeM and APC are two big ones I can think of off the top of my head, but there are many many more. They include text files with their "releases," bragging about how awesome they are. I personally don't see anything wrong with a few tracks here and there to get a full length, high quality "preview" of what an artist sounds like. This allows the consumer to make better informed choices... but of course it is then incumbent on the consumer to be ethical enough to buy the cds they actually like. But... this organized pirating has got to stop. It has nothing to do with fair use, and everything to do with ignorance and freeloading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cryion Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 that decline isnt only part of the psy scene. the whole music scene suffers from it. and basilisk got a good point, no idea what E.P. is talking about since its not about who buys what but the general decline of sale.... if there came a few more nice comps and stuff the situation could get better. i buy older compilations from time to time... but no new ones since i'm often not interestet in the stuff being on that cd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Freewheelin' Franklin Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 Agree with Cryion & Basilisk.. If the music on a CD was more interesting and covered more than just 145 bpm'ers that is valid for the dancefloor then I would buy more albums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Invisible Man Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 if there are 5 cd releases in a month and 2 of them are worth purchasing I think many fans WILL buy them. If the number of cds released increases, say 25, but still only 2 good (hence, no quality control) then, people will still buy the 2 good releases (I mean in a statistical average). So this gives IMO the image of declining sales!!! If you flood the market with compilations upon compilations each month, each with the standard full-on formula THIS is the result (of course this kind of thing happens all the time, everyone just follows the current trend until the market is saturated. then you just have to follow the next trend!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Invisible Man Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 this is the defining characteristic of the modern (capitalistic) society: exploitation. of everything. people, ideas, music and everything else you can think of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Trolsk Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 A few years you could more or less mention all the labels and artists involved in psy-trance. These days there is more than a hundred labels and easily more than a thousand "artists". Some label managers seem to believe that just because they release one compilation people should run out and buy it. But it's not as easy as that. These days a lot of labels release music from the same artists. If label A has released a compilation with artist X, Y, Z and then label B and C release their own compilaiton with the same artists, than chances are that the music buyers are already happy with the compilation from label A. There's tons of generic releases! Psy-trance is not pop music. Just because psy-trance artist X has released one or more albums doesn't me that s/he can quite their day time job, even though I'm sure must of us would like it to be that way. Supply and demand. If there's 1000 releases during the year, but the demand is only for 500 releases then it doesn't matter if all the 1000 releases are excellent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khogg Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 My rate of buying in the short term is down cause I have no job. Over the long-term, my rate of buying per month is fairly constant which is to say I buy quite a lot. However, the number of releases has exploded. Sorry to say, I'm not going to start buying more just to support every me too label and artist out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted April 29, 2004 Share Posted April 29, 2004 E.P.: Of course I buy what I like. All the time. I spend far too much money on music I think mp3s are a fantastic resource for finding good music, I hold on to quite a few contraversial ideals, but remember - I do support this scene where it counts... by buying releases that are good to my ears, as much as I can find and/or afford. All I'm saying here is that low CD sales have as much to do with low-quality CDs as it does with piracy. Perhaps even less, because some pirates aren't going to buy CDs no matter what anyone says... whereas those of us who do buy what we like sometimes suffer from a lack of good well-rounded releases Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ChoBo Posted April 30, 2004 Share Posted April 30, 2004 The problem lies with downloading especially when it is such a small scene in comparison to pop where millions are sold worldwide. Psy sales milestone sales barely reaches over 100,000...think the best selling was Infected Mushroom - The Gathering. Anyway, each cd sales doesnt reach the 100,000 mark because there arent a lot of listeners and secondly downloading hurts it a lot which explains the low sales. What basilik said is also true, just too many releases i think. Some good and some not good. If you compare sales of pop music, downloading doesnt really hurt the company / label, how much they are selling? Millions. Its worth supporting the scene if you do not want the scene to die out because i am rather pessimistic about it right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted May 1, 2004 Share Posted May 1, 2004 well I've probably already said this too many times but... back in the days (1996 to be exact you could just go to a music store and blindly pick a compilation with the word "goa" or "psy" on it and you'd go home listen to it and you'd be AMAZED by the quality of EACH track!! If there was a compilation with 2 average tracks on it, you would've seen it as a bad compilation (mind you in those days most comps were 2CD!!). AND the comp would stay with you for months, even years cause the music on it would be so damn good. Today there are like 15 new comps per month, out of which about 10 contain absolutely NOTHING worthwhile, you could just as well throw them straight to the bin, and about 5 contain 1 or 2 "acceptable" tracks, but with which you get bored of in a few weeks anyway. Out of ALL the 2004 releases I've listened to so far there have been only 2 tracks that have stayed with me for a while: Jupiter 8000 - Bit Fire (the track, actually I don't find the album that good) and Etnoscope - Sunrise (actually this is 2003 but I only got it near the very end of 03 so I count it as 04). 2 tracks I truly liked in almost half a year. And then you wonder why goa sales slump? Actually I'd LIKE to spend some money on something worthwhile... but I haven't heard anything worthwhile for years now... SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Cryion Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 I'm currently buying older cds, since my collection still isnt too big. but i wouuld also hardly buy any cds anymore if i already had all these old cds i still want to get. so maybe the companies should stop crying and do something... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::E.P Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Ah come on now. Don't you think it got more to do with your taste? Stop blaming the labels and artists because you prefer music from the past and only want music that sound like music made in 1996. I for one find very good releases every month!!! Maybe a more open mind toward new music would improve the situation for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 well then tell me EP, what the top 04 releases in your opinion then? Maybe I just don't get the right recomendations... would be nice to hear the advice of someone who's been in the scene from day 1... SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::E.P Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Well I do not listen to psy anymore or Full-On if thats what you mean :-) But in progressive there's a lot of very nice releases recently with the new Son Kite which btw also is a crossover to psy. The new soon to be released Atmos will rock the floors, Tomtron & Liesegang from Domo in Germany is very good and dont fotget the debut album of Freq on Iboga.. And Vision & Canedy is getting rleased next week.... i could go on and on :-) When it come to downbeat/lounge/chill/house then watch out for Seb's (Son Kite) Kooler CD on Camaflage which will be rleased soon... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 ?? I'm surprised you're that much into progressive, I didn't really see you as a "progressive kind of guy" Well thanks for your input SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest .:::E.P Posted May 4, 2004 Share Posted May 4, 2004 Well I have always been into deep/tribal house and I do consider a lot of my music quite progressive in the sense of the rhythmic piture in my music. But for me it's a natural progression and I could not see myself continue with the goa/spy sid eof trance as I dont find it innovative or inspiring. I think it's good for all people to seek new ways and try out new stuff. Actually I am seeking totally new ways with my next CD under a new name "Blue". It will even contain singing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemmiwinks Posted May 5, 2004 Share Posted May 5, 2004 oki... tell us when some samples of your new stuff are out, can't judge before that SMI²LE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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