Padmapani Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Just now, Padmapani said: oops, i did it again. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 20 hours ago, Padmapani said: what sort of symptoms do you have in these "bad nights"? It's best described as a slight feeling of being sick ... but it's definitely without fever or elevated temperature, I checked multiple times. Depending how I feel I can also have uneasiness or elevated heart rate (which then is toxic for getting a night's rest) - I believe these are just results and not causes though. I got my heart checked pretty soon after the infection and it was all good. I don't know what to make of it and had slight hopes a lab test might bring a bit more clearance into the picture. Thanks for the feedback regarding vaccination If I do a lab test, I'll just put an antibody check on top, even if the doctor doesn't order it for me ... I'm just curious whether I still have any - and if yes, I won't vaccinate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penzoline Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 I have to say this whole lockdown of social gatherings, bars, clubs, anything really is making life quite boring.. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Yes ... I don't know how it is with you, but here in Austria we will sit in Lockdown till Febuary 7th - and bars and venues will not open till March, this has already been communicated officially. Everybody now panics because of the B1.1.7 virus mutation... Yet even though if the country reopened in March, it will be a long way until we are back to normal ... and maybe we will not even reach true normality as we know it anymore, according to some pessimistic voices out there... But in the short run, they will be right. Just picture a psytrance party in 2 months for example (if it were possible) ... would you be as "careless" as you were prior to the crisis? I know I wouldn't. For example I would not hug people - and I'd probably not even go very near most of them. There will be a "shadow" remaining - and be it just a slight worry in people's minds ... it will take some time for that to go away. It's the same when it comes to bar visits ... I'd be quite careful, way more and different to what was before... There's a post on here that advertises the Shankra Festival 2022 - and I actually think about going, because I am of the opinion that the crisis should be over by then finally ... well, at least the next winter is what will make it count - this one (the winter) you can forget already anyways, it's already in the bin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, RTP said: here in Austria this is such a shithole country. not because of the extened lockdown, which is definitely necessary, but because nothing works as it should. i am a category 1 person because i do covid tests so i should be among the first group of people to get a vaccine. the vaccination campaign has already started but no one knows how i could make an appointment. the official hotline says to call another hotline. the other hotline doesn't work at all, so i call the next day. then they say they cannot do anything because i'm under 80 years old. the next official info point says they have no idea and aren't responsible. so i call the original hotline again and they say the employer does make appointments automatically. in case the employer is a hospital that is true but i don't do tests inside a hospital and my boss has no information whatsoever. i'm really starting to think that india has way more efficient administration than austria. i do think we will reach true normalty by the end of the year (as long as we can get vaccinations above 70-80% by summer). but i surely hope we can get access to normalty sooner with a filled vaccination card. but the only thing i know is that i'll make up for all the time spent at home once the clubs open again. how are you doing covid-wise rtp? still occasional bad nights or 100% back to normal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 1 hour ago, RTP said: Shankra Festival 2022 the one in sri lanka? that lineup can't be real, can it? i mean there's no almost goa trance but otherwise just about every big name i can think of is on there. sounds too good to be true. on the other hand the sankra 2021 in switzerland (if it does take place at all the coming summer) doesn't sound that shabby either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, Padmapani said: how are you doing covid-wise rtp? still occasional bad nights or 100% back to normal? I would say slightly better at the moment - but I "just" had a bad period at Christmas, so we'll see. I did a Covid test though (twice - one by myself at xmas and now I again went to an official one) and that was negative so at least there's likely no active infection going on. Oh and thanks for asking Bad to hear about the vaccine chaos, but it's Austria, that's how it is here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, RTP said: I would say slightly better at the moment - but I "just" had a bad period at Christmas, so we'll see. I did a Covid test though (twice - one by myself at xmas and now I again went to an official one) and that was negative so at least there's likely no active infection going on. Oh and thanks for asking Bad to hear about the vaccine chaos, but it's Austria, that's how it is here damn, the recovery really seems to be dragging on for a long time for some people. just last week at work i had a conversation with people who have been suffering from depression and breathlessness for two months since the infection. one of them even could not even get a full night of sleep since then, despite being put on benzos. lockdowns really are a small price to pay. but still, almost every day i hear people complaining about having to wear masks and thinking vaccines are an evil ploy from the governments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 hours ago, Padmapani said: lockdowns really are a small price to pay. but still, almost every day i hear people complaining about having to wear masks and thinking vaccines are an evil ploy from the governments. playing devils advocate. if someone is of the belief that there is a large conspiracy to do a softkill on the populos, cause massive sterility, and to somehow "tag" the populus using various techniques (rfid, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferase luciferase) and a bunch of other 'conspiracy theories' such as sars-cov2 is bioengineered at a lab - then there is really not a big stretch to say that the vaccines ARE an evil ploy by the governments. 23 people died already in norway by the vaccine, there has already been confirmed side effects such as face paralyzation - and well, if you think bill gates (the worlds vaccine tsar) and other multi-billionaires are good people then thats on your part being naive. they have been corrupted by money since decades ago, and doesnt have our best interest at heart. Bill gates did something called "event 201" that theorized exactly what covid-19 came to be, just months before. There is also something called "agenda 21" that wants to put a "smart grid" on the earth. These arent conspiracy theories. Ofc 5g implementation has nothing to do with agenda 21 and smart grids you really dont have to be insane or some sort of loony to believe in conspiracy theories anymore, so many have come true over the years. say Project Mockingbird or MK-Ultra. There has been atrocities made by those in power. Also lets not forget something called "the great reset" that for example Canada is pushing heavily for. Canada was also instrumental in MK-Ultra and did some nasty awful experiments on people. Search "psychic driving" and be prepared to vomit.. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_driving) its not by chance Canada has one of the worst lockdown measures in the world right now. again just playing devils advocate, i am by no means a conspiracy theorist btw, lunacy theories like "QANON", "anti-vaxx", "5g causes corona" are meant to make the legitimate theorists seem like loonies. controlled opposition. still just playing advocate though ^^ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 3 hours ago, astralprojection said: playing devils advocate. if someone is of the belief that there is a large conspiracy to do a softkill on the populos, cause massive sterility, and to somehow "tag" the populus using various techniques (rfid, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferase luciferase) and a bunch of other 'conspiracy theories' such as sars-cov2 is bioengineered at a lab - then there is really not a big stretch to say that the vaccines ARE an evil ploy by the governments. So THAT is the prerequisite one has to believe in order to consider the rest of the nonsense you mentioned? Time to step away from the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 14 minutes ago, Veracohr said: So THAT is the prerequisite one has to believe in order to consider the rest of the nonsense you mentioned? Time to step away from the internet. You sound a little mad almost, and combative. All right.. Sorry but nothing I said was nonsense. It's called facts and history. Ignorance is bliss I suppose. Why don't you tell the victims of psychic driving and mk ultra it is nonsense. Why don't you Google event 201. Or agenda 21. Take care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 4 hours ago, astralprojection said: luciferase bioengineered at a lab 23 people died already in norway by the vaccine, there has already been confirmed side effects such as face paralyzation bill gates "event 201" There is also something called "agenda 21" that wants to put a "smart grid" on the earth. These arent conspiracy theories. Ofc 5g implementation has nothing to do with agenda 21 and smart grids you really dont have to be insane or some sort of loony to believe in conspiracy theories anymore, so many have come true over the years. say Project Mockingbird or MK-Ultra. There has been atrocities made by those in power. luciferase has that name because it glows. lucifer is literally the light-bringer. we know that sars-cov-2 cannot have been bioengineered in a lab. it uses previously unknown sequences for known functions. if it were bioengineered it would use known sequences (among many other reasons). a vaccination activates the immune system and in that respect is like a small infection. if you are so sick already that you die from the vaccine you'd definitely die from the disease. do you have any source for face paralysis? bill gates is a rich guy who doesn't know what to do with his money, so he uses it in ways perceived to be for the common good to polish up his image. he has warned about future pandemics, just have many others over the years. and they were right. agenda 21 is real but is a non-binding UN agreement on sustainable development and use of ressources. i have no idea what that has to do with anything. sure, mk-ultra was real. but it never was a conspiracy theory 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 8 hours ago, astralprojection said: 'conspiracy theories' such as sars-cov2 is bioengineered at a lab I have to admit, I thought about this one a lot. The trigger why I entered that train of thought was not the conspiracy theory per se, which I had not heard at that time yet, but a personal experience: as I laid there sick in March 2020, I listened to an Anthony Rother track on my playlist that contains this line "... the funny way: I'm human made" (the track is conveniently called "Human Made") - and it just triggered something in me ... my thoughts were: wouldn't this really be indeed " a funny way" if I lied here in bed with something in me tryin' to kill me that was human made...? And that line "you got no world, because of me..." - wasn't that true too? Creepy, isnt' it? Well, it sure was. Damn... Before you shrug it off as a complete oddity, I'd also like to tell you that I had very strange nightmares in my sleep (in the little what I could find); most of these were taking place in China in one form or another. Either it were chinese people chasing me or it took place in a chinese hospital, where I was lying on a bed and I still remember these huge metal doors from the ward ... and these yellow trash bags that were piling up in corridors ... really strange stuff it was to me - well, some time later I get the result that I'm infected with a virus that originally came from China ... I'm just asking, could it be that this thing somehow carried an energetic signature from China inside and my body cells recognized that signature and, since I already have been to China more than once, "decoded" its origin location, thus playing to my mind these chinese nightmares? Oddly enough, these chinese nightmares I never had before ... they only started with my Covid infection! But while that last sentence is indeed true (and I indeed find it a little strange), it could also have been that the YouTube was on the whole time, autoplaying Covid news from China (which vere VERY much trending at that time) and I was just laying there in bed in half-sleep not realizing it and thus these images found their ways into my dreams...? I have a dilemma with these creepy stories ... on the one hand, I am passionate about telling them and find it interesting to find explanations why this and that occured - explanations that make sense to me - but on the other hand I shit my pants thinking about them. Maybe conspiracy theorists probably just spin this train of thought further that I don't dare to. Is it healthy? No, can't be. But on the other hand their existence may be a good sign - it signals, that the fundamental pillars of freedom in our society still work. You can be a total nutter and it's OK! (As long as you don't harrass anybody.) What worries me to an extent is, that this nuttery is often attacked these days, not tolerated. THAT is what we should be afraid of. Because of course, first it may be these conspiracists which you actually don't like yourself and you'll be happy when they're gone, but what then? It will get closer - until it's at YOUR doorstep! Yes, you! You freak, listening to Psytrance ... that's not acceptable!... Get me? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 11:17 PM, RTP said: But on the other hand their existence may be a good sign - it signals, that the fundamental pillars of freedom in our society still work. You can be a total nutter and it's OK! (As long as you don't harrass anybody.) What worries me to an extent is, that this nuttery is often attacked these days, not tolerated. THAT is what we should be afraid of. Because of course, first it may be these conspiracists which you actually don't like yourself and you'll be happy when they're gone, but what then? It will get closer - until it's at YOUR doorstep! Yes, you! You freak, listening to Psytrance ... that's not acceptable!... if your nuttery just affects youself, you're completely fine to do whatever you want, but if your nuttery puts other people in danger and kills some of them i do draw a line there. your freedom ends where it infringes on other people's freedoms. that's also why i have absolutely no problem advocating for strict lockdowns and selective repoening for vaccinated people as an anarchist. it may seem strange and unintuitive to us at first but the draconian ways in which the crisis is handled in some parts of asia is actually the more liberal policy. note that i'm not saying that china is acting like it does because it cares about people's rights. it doesn't (and also other countries have handled it better than china). but china's focus on keeping the economy running in the mid to long term has the side effect of keeping people in lockdown for shorter periods as well as giving more people the opportunity to not be infected against their will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 1:18 AM, Padmapani said: if your nuttery just affects youself, you're completely fine to do whatever you want, but if your nuttery puts other people in danger and kills some of them i do draw a line there. your freedom ends where it infringes on other people's freedoms. that's also why i have absolutely no problem advocating for strict lockdowns and selective repoening for vaccinated people as an anarchist. it may seem strange and unintuitive to us at first but the draconian ways in which the crisis is handled in some parts of asia is actually the more liberal policy. That's actually right! I'm not OK with it either when it comes to endangering others. The protesters that go demonstrating in masses without masks and the who people actively break the rules - all of them worry me a lot I had this Covid shit already and I'm quite anxious to get it again, I really _really_ don't need that - also for the well being of my family and all people dear to me. I just hope that we all will never lose the ability to talk about things and also accept different opinions and treat each other with respect. I feel this behaviour kind of waning in the last months and even years already, but it has definitely accelerated... And it's difficult for me though to experience this feeling of "being torn", to actually stand on what I would percieve as "the other side"/"the side of law and order" ... I used to describe myself as NOT the one that goes with the masses and these "systems" - now I do? I was the one to say to my friends that they should slap me if I ever said to run with the pack. Yet now I do? The reason why I am scared by it is NOT the current situation. It rather is a fear, that if one of the things that I thought to be fundamental is waning (which is happening right here), then what reason is there for me to believe that the rest of them is not gonna wane?... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 hours ago, RTP said: That's actually right! I'm not OK with it either when it comes to endangering others. The protesters that go demonstrating in masses without masks and the who people actively break the rules - all of them worry me a lot I had this Covid shit already and I'm quite anxious to get it again, I really _really_ don't need that - also for the well being of my family and all people dear to me. I just hope that we all will never lose the ability to talk about things and also accept different opinions and treat each other with respect. I feel this behaviour kind of waning in the last months and even years already, but it has definitely accelerated... And it's difficult for me though to experience this feeling of "being torn", to actually stand on what I would percieve as "the other side"/"the side of law and order" ... I used to describe myself as NOT the one that goes with the masses and these "systems" - now I do? I was the one to say to my friends that they should slap me if I ever said to run with the pack. Yet now I do? The reason why I am scared by it is NOT the current situation. It rather is a fear, that if one of the things that I thought to be fundamental is waning (which is happening right here), then what reason is there for me to believe that the rest of them is not gonna wane?... i've had that feeling some time ago, but now i see it very differently. the divison is more between the people who are able to use their brain and those who don't. and believe me (i work in a pharmacy and talk to about hundred people every day), those who don't are the great majority. if you're advocating for sensible policies you're not running with the pack (in fact when i spoke out for another lockdown in autumn one week before the lockdown actually came, i was confronted with a lot of hate from many directions). in our situation we have a government that's torn between their own stupidity and desire to appease the people on one side and the advice from experts who know what they're talking about on the other side. so we have policies where the right things are eventually done, but too late and too half-heartedly. to do the right thing yourself is not about law and order. i have isolated even when there were little restrictions and do meet people when it is forbidding during lockdown as long as everyone is tested. do what makes sense and not what the law tells you. but i must admit that breaking the law in such a way feels more familiar and "right" than following the law when it actually makes sense what was really a bit shocking to me is how >90% of the people do not think about the consequences and just do whatever is allowed, even if its pointless (wearing chin-shields in autumn, that don't do anything to protect people but satisfy the law). still the majority is advocating for an end to lockdowns for various reasons (ranging from "oh the economy", "they just want to control us", "i don't believe there's any virus", "i want to do whatever i want", ...). a year ago i wouldn't have thought that the only way to get people to do something that should be clear to everyone is to make it mandatory by law. while we have people at work who openly admit having a very limited mind ("why do you think about such things? i am happy if i know what i'll have for supper today"), even the majority of the seemingly intelligent and educated colleages try to subvert the meaning of the policies by implementing measures that satifsfy the law but are not suitable for curbing the spread of the disease (let's do some half-hearted testing with the cheapest test kit every now and then, so that everyone can wear their dirty mouth rag instead of masks that acutally work (ofc this is not an exact quote)). it's really baffling how people cannot seem to think further than at most the next week. how could anyone be advocating for an end to lockdowns but at the same time refuse both wearing a proper mask and getting vaccinated? all that while they have family and friends in high-risk groups. as long as you're not doing anything to end the pandemic, you cannot expect the pandemic to end any time soon. sorry for the rant, but the longer this whole thing drags on, the more i am convinced that we're living in a world of imbeciles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 3:04 AM, Padmapani said: sorry for the rant, but the longer this whole thing drags on, the more i am convinced that we're living in a world of imbeciles. Don't worry, it was good to read - and it also comforted me a little, that I'm not alone in this mess I think you are right - I also do feel that people in society tend to become more stupid - where "stupid" means not having a low IQ (well, it is a factor, but not the only one because that would be a discrimination for people with low IQ ), but rather having the illusion that you know things better than you actually do ... a lack of reflexion ... this, together with the rise of "persecution / hate towards people who think differently" (which has its roots in the same corner imo - because people with other opinions rather should make you reflect) is one of the two main worrying trends I think we have a crisis on three sides here ... "the triangle of evil": - Health crisis ... such as people getting sick real bad on Covid-19 - Economic crisis ... such as businesses closing, money printing ... where should this all go? - A crisis of the personal side of society ... such as people getting more stupid, more full of hate, more caught in their filter bubbles... It's not gonna end well if we are not careful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 On 1/23/2021 at 3:04 AM, Padmapani said: (let's do some half-hearted testing with the cheapest test kit every now and then...) Side question: I want to get some Covid Antigen Rapid Test Kits (and yes I know how to use them and how the sample taking needs to feel - had two of the mass tests already and have got a training with a real one too) ... any recommendation which are good ones? Paying 25 EUR in the pharmacy every week (or so) is only an option if I need something official... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 On 1/24/2021 at 7:32 PM, RTP said: Side question: I want to get some Covid Antigen Rapid Test Kits (and yes I know how to use them and how the sample taking needs to feel - had two of the mass tests already and have got a training with a real one too) ... any recommendation which are good ones? Paying 25 EUR in the pharmacy every week (or so) is only an option if I need something official... personally, i use the test kit from abbott (covid-19 ag rapid test device). you can get it online for less than 10€ per test (but it's a kit with 25 tests). it's a little more accurate, cheaper and more practical than the others. (probennahme is eigentlich recht einfach. sobalds geht (ca. nach 0.5 bis 1cm) das staberl nach hinten/unten drehen und richtung ohrlapperl fahren bis man ansteht. am besten den kopf nur ganz leicht nach hinten. falls man den kopf zu wenig nach hinten legt kommt man nicht gut hinein, falls man ihn zu weit nach hinten legt fahrt man den hals runter statt anzustehen, was auch keine tragik ist aber würgereiz auslösen kann. im zweifelsfall sollte man eher weiter unten bei der nase entlangschrammen (niesreiz möglich) statt irgendwo weiter oben herumzustochern. wichtig is noch: wenn man an der richtigen stelle ist ein paar sekunden drinnenlassen und drehen) if you're looking for something cheaper (i.e. fewer tests per unit sold), you can also use the joysbio antigen rapid test kit. that one uses a swab from the anterior part of the nose. according to the manufacturer it's almost as sensitive as the other kind of test (though i'm a little sceptical about that. there's a paper out there that says that taking the swab from the anterior part of the nose are 50% less sensitive, putting it at something like 92% sensitivity instead of 97%) and it's officially allowed to take the test yourself. we sell those for 9€ per test. you can probably also get it cheaper online, but then you'd again have to take the whole kit (20 tests) instead of single tests. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 On 1/27/2021 at 2:55 AM, Padmapani said: personally, i use the test kit from abbott (covid-19 ag rapid test device). you can get it online for less than 10€ per test (but it's a kit with 25 tests). it's a little more accurate, cheaper and more practical than the others. (probennahme is eigentlich recht einfach. sobalds geht (ca. nach 0.5 bis 1cm) das staberl nach hinten/unten drehen und richtung ohrlapperl fahren bis man ansteht. am besten den kopf nur ganz leicht nach hinten. falls man den kopf zu wenig nach hinten legt kommt man nicht gut hinein, falls man ihn zu weit nach hinten legt fahrt man den hals runter statt anzustehen, was auch keine tragik ist aber würgereiz auslösen kann. im zweifelsfall sollte man eher weiter unten bei der nase entlangschrammen (niesreiz möglich) statt irgendwo weiter oben herumzustochern. wichtig is noch: wenn man an der richtigen stelle ist ein paar sekunden drinnenlassen und drehen) if you're looking for something cheaper (i.e. fewer tests per unit sold), you can also use the joysbio antigen rapid test kit. that one uses a swab from the anterior part of the nose. according to the manufacturer it's almost as sensitive as the other kind of test (though i'm a little sceptical about that. there's a paper out there that says that taking the swab from the anterior part of the nose are 50% less sensitive, putting it at something like 92% sensitivity instead of 97%) and it's officially allowed to take the test yourself. we sell those for 9€ per test. you can probably also get it cheaper online, but then you'd again have to take the whole kit (20 tests) instead of single tests. Danke I have the one named "Novel Realy Tech", it's also a Covid-19 Antigen test - it got a bit talked down (unjustified imo) because there is a ban for this product in Germany - but that's not because the kit doesn't work (it does), but to put people off from buying it because some vendors weren't handling it appropriately. My pack was completely sealed and it all seems fine. But for my next one I'll look towards your recommendations. It is said, that these tests also work when you get the sample just from the back of the throat (really way back) - which is what I do, because my nose is very sensitive. Would you say that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted February 3, 2021 Share Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, RTP said: Danke I have the one named "Novel Realy Tech", it's also a Covid-19 Antigen test - it got a bit talked down (unjustified imo) because there is a ban for this product in Germany - but that's not because the kit doesn't work (it does), but to put people off from buying it because some vendors weren't handling it appropriately. My pack was completely sealed and it all seems fine. But for my next one I'll look towards your recommendations. It is said, that these tests also work when you get the sample just from the back of the throat (really way back) - which is what I do, because my nose is very sensitive. Would you say that too? sampling from the back of the throat or the anterior part of the nose detects ca. 90-95% of positive cases compared to ca. 95-97% when taking the sample from the nasopharynx. i really hate taking samples in the throat (and most of the time refuse to do it) because most people just can't put their tounges out of the way. also, you'll inevitably get "brechreiz" (what's the english word for that?) if you scrub and turn the sampling brush around there for the required 5 or so seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTP Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 21 hours ago, Padmapani said: "brechreiz" "gag reflex" I'd say ... and yes, I do get that - but it's still way better than taking the sample from the nose ... so it's good to hear I'll still be fairly accurate with it - won't do it after eating or drinking anyway, best time is right in the morning before I brush teeth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 7:00 PM, Padmapani said: luciferase has that name because it glows. lucifer is literally the light-bringer. we know that sars-cov-2 cannot have been bioengineered in a lab. it uses previously unknown sequences for known functions. if it were bioengineered it would use known sequences (among many other reasons). a vaccination activates the immune system and in that respect is like a small infection. if you are so sick already that you die from the vaccine you'd definitely die from the disease. do you have any source for face paralysis? bill gates is a rich guy who doesn't know what to do with his money, so he uses it in ways perceived to be for the common good to polish up his image. he has warned about future pandemics, just have many others over the years. and they were right. agenda 21 is real but is a non-binding UN agreement on sustainable development and use of ressources. i have no idea what that has to do with anything. sure, mk-ultra was real. but it never was a conspiracy theory luciferase- yeah i know. nothing strange about that. i concede on that one. its just a curious name. but regardless of the name - it can be used as a tracking agent - thus i included it. vaccinations does trigger the immune system to produce antibodies. that much i know. but this vaccine was very hastily produced- and we have had the common cold for ages, yet no vaccine. and you mean to tell me they made vaccines up to 95% effiacacy - from different countries - within 1 year? you must excuse my conspiracy sense throbbing. that and that these companies are making billions - yet small business are forced to shut down and fighting for a 2000 dollar check (USA). its definitely not set up for the average citizen - its set up to fuck us over. bill gates is rich and he isnt a nice guy. he had countless anti-trust lawsuits back in the day. he lost in court several times. you mean to tell me he is looking out for our best? agenda 21 is not only real, its being pursued, and being put into action. mk-ultra was real indeed, some people like to put it into the conspiracy slot. i wager its not meant to be there, its meant to be put into the history books, yet you dont find it there. they made us, the populos, their guineapig - what makes you think they stopped? why do you think we are no longer their test subjects? do you consider Epstein and Maxwell being part of some sort of conspiracy and not legitimate pedofiles, that hunt and kill kids? is it so bad to be a conspiracy theorist in these times? do you find us dumb and not able to use our brains such as you have mentioned? i find that slightly disrespectful. matter of fact, i think you are the ones not using their brains. you are the ones asleep, not seing the world for it wickedness, you chosing to see the world better than what it is. you are choosing to disregard all these atrocities to make your reality feel more cozy. you are the ones being stupid, you are the ones not using your brain. edit: i didnt really mean that, it was a bit harsh. i guess i just took "people not using the brains" more personal than i should. its all good and i apologize for being a bit upset earlier. i shouldnt have taken it so personal. pz! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Surprised to find a nice and mostly civil discussion about that topic. I have not much to add, but a lil hint I am more leaning towards the "conspiracy" side of things. Except what @astralprojectionmentioned you can also look up Klaus Schwab and the WEF (World Economy Forum): Btw. as recent times show the "conspiracy theorists" were mostly right warning of 1984 and Brave New World...eg. "contact tracing" is pure NWO stuff imho. There would be so much to say but I understand this topic is sensible and one just wants to beat down someone who has a differing view then the "official line" on a deadly disease this is understandable.. But 2 anecdotes - there are researchers out there, who found many hints in popular culture like movies, books and music for an event what could be described perhaps as a 2nd 9/11 and the location is somewhere on the westcoast of the US. Well that did not happen so far (terrorists - bombing or natural disaster is in the books) - this is called predictive programming or also foreshadowing. Partly it became true cause in Seattle (= westcoast) was the first US case of C plus there is Microsoft HQ and Gates lives or lived there. - here a somewhat funny thing, the address from the biggest German vax company (also they do cancer treatments) which gets a big contract from the gov for lots of vaxxes probably not on the cheap is: BioNTech SE An der Goldgrube 12 (=goldmine) 55131 Mainz Deutschland Edit some headlines: Impfstoff-Produktion: Biontech fordert mehr Geld – für drei Milliarden Dosen Biontech fordert staatliche Investitionen für Ausbau der Impfstoffproduktion Biontech wünscht sich mehr Geld für Impfstoff-Produktion OH YEAH i also WISH ME MORE MONEY... but I am a "useless eater" and not a Biotech company, or millitary, or bankster or Milliardär (sp in English?). Do people remember past "epidemics" ? Like bird flu etc. Millions of doses of vaxxes had to be trashed but the companies earned of course. As it turned out the diseases were just not very dangerous (in the past).. using the "history repeats itself" term and can for sure speculate it may be the case this time too. Only the measures etc. are much more enforced, perhaps these earlier "epidemics" were kind of test runs of the big one we have now ? Just asking questions and speculate a bit...not to mention the dozens of docs and profs coming out with the same. Past experience and events have told me that there are very rarely coincidences in politics or economics..- also what proves you when your test says positive it is not just either the flu itself or a simmilar virus. A serious flu is deadly also to old and weakened person.. 80 year old dies when he has an heart attack, later they "find the virus" in him and the death certificate then says C has done it.. yeah where is the normal but can be deadly flu gone? Are flu cases now C-cases? Mh. Oops a bit to much written...lol Personal note, I have not gotten any vax in the last 12-13 years or so, I did not get a serious flu or something simmilar at all. While I remember when I was younger I got shots which as a child is partly mandatory anyway. And I was often sick when I was younger also stomach problems etc. Ok, I also did not eat the healthiest ways. My personal conclusion is vax seem to more promote illness - one can of course totally have other experiences but that is mine. Well if one looks at incridients of vaxxes there is eg. alluminium and it is rumored something with aborted fetuses (I hope from animals) this ofc may be really a bad conspiracy theory admitted. Oh luckily this what I said above is already "debunked" by the MSM and a physician here: https://www.op-online.de/verbraucher/impfmythen-finden-bei-skeptikern-und-verschwoerungstheoretikern-grossen-anklang-wissenschaftler-aus-bad-homburg-klaeren-auf-90176600.html Guess when they say so it must be true, right ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 The name of the "physician" in above article rang a bell and I googled him, he is not a medical doctor in my view. He did however "debunk" some other "conspiracies" in some other older article (not C but perhaps moon landing etc.).which I read and found weak so I remembered him... But can you believe it he also wrote a book with me on the cover !! https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/418omENx2QL._SX330_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg In 2019 here link to book (also not about C-Virus but now he is an expert on vaxxes for C in above article) yeah right... https://www.amazon.de/Verschwörungsmythen-verdrehten-Fakten-verkauft-werden/dp/3777627801 See, no coincidences anymore for me, this guy seems a paid shill and was dragged through the media before selling "CT´s" as mentally sick or greedy money stealing people (some of them are yes, mayn are not and many CT´s turned out to be true) Oh and whow what he says here: Die Corona-Impfung ist besonders gefährlich für Allergiker Gegen den Wirkstoff ist niemand allergisch. Wenn überhaupt gegen die Zusatzstoffe (WTF?). Diese sind aber auch in vielen anderen Arzneimitteln enthalten. Da unterscheidet sich die Impfung von Biontech und Pfizer in nichts von einer herkömmlichen Impfung. Im Gegenteil. Das Risiko eines anaphylaktischen Schocks ist bei einer Grippeimpfung viel höher (really?) , da diese mit Hühnereiweiß hergestellt wird. or here: Der Corona-Impfstoff ist nicht ausreichend getestet worden Das ist ein Schlussfolgerung von Laien, die das ganze Prozedere nicht kennen. Sehr viel, was normalerweise in den ersten Phasen einer Impfstoffzulassung passiert, war schon fertig bevor (! means in English the C-vax was ready BEFORE C existed, do you need to know more) Corona überhaupt existierte. Das lag nach SARS in der Schublade (REALLY? see what I said above, earlier "epidemics" like "SARS lolol) OOPS more from the specialist "pysician" sorry German, perhaps put it in a translator. An der Impfung will sich die Pharamindustrie bereichern Impfstoffe machen nur zwei Prozent der Kosten für Arzneimittel aus. Die größten deutschen Pharmaunternehmen stellen zum Beispiel gar keine Impfstoffe her. Und selbst bei großen internationalen Produzenten, beträgt der Anteil am Gesamtgeschäft nicht mehr als 25 Prozent. Im Pharmamarkt sind Impfstoffe deshalb eigentlich kein großes Thema (Perhaps but for Biotech and DNA companies!) Richtig viel verdienen kann man damit nicht, weil sie eben auch nicht teuer sein dürfen. Für die Branchenriesen geht es bei Corona-Impfstoffen eher ums Prestige. (REALLY? These giant (=Riese) companies do not care about the money, but for their prestige.... so NOT for the health of the people but their PRESTIGE (or image), whowww "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." Franklin D. Roosevelt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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