recursion loop Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, astralprojection said: whoever did this.. LOUD https://www.discogs.com/ru/artist/429462-Loud-6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 i meant the youtube video itself. the meme so to speak. Loud did that? edit: lol youre right, haha okay thats strange. That now seems a bit cocky instead of funny. I thought it was just a random memer complaining about the state of psytrance who did that video. Not an artist wanting to say "hey, we can do it better" : ( that was an anticlimax . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 EH? I always thought the Future Ducks would be some guy in London doing a parody of newstyle Psy and also of the Future Sound Of London. Seems to go deeper than I thought... so this thread brought some interesting info at last.... I was bit amazed btw. when I posted in a Trance thread in another forum, there seem only to be a few guys liking or even knowing (real) psytrance. I postet 2 cool examples from X-Dream and Man With No Name - or what I thought would be good examples. But no one commented in the positive about them. However later I posted the Ducks Video and someone said, even if this seems like a parody he fuckin´likes the sound @AstralSphinx The track you posted sounds quite minimal too me. I am even more confused by new goa genres then I am about industrial I must say. Eg. what is full-on exactly this name does not imply minimal for my understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 That Etnica remix sounds totally great to me. Regarding the Future Ducks track, i love it I does have a good dose of self-irony. I don't believe it was made for self-promotion or to take the piss out of the scene, rather I guess they have collected all the stereotypical criticism about progressive/minimal and made a track of these stereotypes, just for the fun of it. Certainly LOUD can't be accused of the lack of creativity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 Anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 I see, I find most goa boring and sounding the same (with some great exceptions tho) I'm mostly a full-on/prog guy myself. Yeah, tastes differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, AstralSphinx said: btw you who seem to be in the know about modern psy, can you recommend anything that is dark and melodic? Idk, in psy context "dark" and "melodic" seem to be mutually exclusive. In my book, dark and melodic might be something like this (dark not as in darkpsy, but as an opposite to happy/euphoric) Or this None of these are exactly modern tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goa constrictor Posted July 9, 2020 Share Posted July 9, 2020 On 7/8/2020 at 2:45 PM, Mantra604 said: That was beautiful. I can't believe I hadn't seen that until now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 17 hours ago, recursion loop said: Regarding the Future Ducks track, i love it I does have a good dose of self-irony. I don't believe it was made for self-promotion or to take the piss out of the scene, rather I guess they have collected all the stereotypical criticism about progressive/minimal and made a track of these stereotypes, just for the fun of it. thats a good take on it, and i suppose youre right maybe i was a bit harsh on them it was a funny video i give them that; id just hate for it to be some sort of self promo . not sure why but it doesnt sit right. but your take sounds more plausible ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goa constrictor Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 This just popped up in my Facebook Memories Feels prescient... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 5:35 PM, Multi-Media said: @AstralSphinx The track you posted sounds quite minimal too me. I am even more confused by new goa genres then I am about industrial I must say. Eg. what is full-on exactly this name does not imply minimal for my understanding. that track has nothing to do with fullon. loud is basically progressive and their remix of trip tonite ticks all the boxes for the especially cheap and boring kind of progressive that likes to call itself "futureprog". this is fullon: old tracks from fullon's golden time (ca. 2003-2004) : 1 2 new tracks: 1 2 pretty decent stuff to say the least. (as long as we forget about the ultra-cheesy pop-fullon we had to endure around 2008. let's not talk about that). unrelated to the topic. i'll just ask again here because more people might see it: does anyone have an idea how to get back to the desktop version of psynews? i've been stuck in the mobile skin for some time now and reading as well as posting is extremely difficult when you can only see half of your reply (in a huge font) on a 27" display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted July 10, 2020 Share Posted July 10, 2020 On 7/9/2020 at 7:51 PM, recursion loop said: Idk, in psy context "dark" and "melodic" seem to be mutually exclusive. not necessarily. it depends on how you define and and melodic. is this dark and melodic? certainly dark, but is there enough melody to be called melodic? or this?: certainly darkpsy derived and melodic (esp. the latter third), but is it really dark? or this?: a darker vibe, melodic, but it's the kind of goa trance that's more chaotic than anything else. btw: i don't find asia tribe dark at all. imho it falls in that sweet spot that's neither happy nor dark, where most "cosmic" or truly psychedelic music can be found. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 @Padmapani That Sillicon Sound track was one of my faves years ago, but also due to my Blade Runner obsession, did not age so well.... Interesting that Talamasca and E.Universe count also (now?) in the full-on department, did not know that. Guess their early stuff was just named goa for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 28 minutes ago, Multi-Media said: @Padmapani That Sillicon Sound track was one of my faves years ago, but also due to my Blade Runner obsession, did not age so well.... Interesting that Talamasca and E.Universe count also (now?) in the full-on department, did not know that. Guess their early stuff was just named goa for us both talamasca and eu started out with goa, but switched to fullon pretty early. talamasca's beyond the mask is pure goa, musica divinorum is something i'd count as early fullon (not quite fullon as we know it but leading up to it), and zodiac is a almost a genre defining fullon album imho. that might also be because it was my introduction to fullon . too bad talamasca has turned to making predictable cheese soon afterwards. electric universe did make goa up to the unify album, but cosmic experience is a fullon classic, especially with tracks like the prayer and morning star. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 Zodiac is a good album. I was lucky to see talamasca live at Arvika when he hadn't released it yet so much in his set was new stuff at the time. It stuck with me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted July 11, 2020 Share Posted July 11, 2020 17 hours ago, Padmapani said: electric universe did make goa up to the unify album, but cosmic experience is a fullon classic, especially with tracks like the prayer and morning star. i still think Peak is his best track cause thats really kinda what he wanted to do with most of his tracks; and he defined it and boiled it down to the essence of his post-goa days with Peak. Ultra cheese and Ultra climax and Ultra Leads. i think that was his dream all along. and thats only half humor i actually really love this track btw we need radis input if we are gonna talk about boris blenn feels like we are talking behind his back and i dont like it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the goa constrictor Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Electric Universe is damn near as close to a Guilty Pleasure as I can think of. Boris is awesome 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudpeople Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Supposedly psytrance died already in 2006 https://nabirecords.bandcamp.com/album/psytrance-is-dead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 8 hours ago, the goa constrictor said: Electric Universe is damn near as close to a Guilty Pleasure as I can think of. Boris is awesome Thanks for the reminder, those slower tracks are quite cool from him too @mudpeople Good to know, must have been around the same time when EBM (supposedly) died too @Padmapani Yeah I remember the first 2 Talamasca albums.. but I found also some newer tracks to be listenable, if I want some melodic stuff, and the tracks I mean are not as cheesy as for example the first 2 in the Beatport top10 for "Psytrance" hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 Oth. mhh... this sounds a bit like the Future Ducks, does it not? Also seems he does not play his older hits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluorosis Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 I think it's a well-thought out proposal: a SONG (has a signature melody, the chord changes/modulations under it, the name itself implying ones ability to SING the signature melody, which I consider less important as I will describe) can be done in a Polka version, a Psytrance version, a Bossanova version. I'm sure you can picture "Happy Birthday" done in a million different ways, yet still retaining that signature melody. You will even EXPECT that a jazz version will alter the chord changes while still allowing the same melody to be contextualized over it! It's true that mere sound-design accompanied by "contemporary rhythms" (as you say) will not have any CONTENT to be recontextualized. Melodies are sequences of notes. Notes are ostensibly "pure tones" with a base root principle frequency, which is a lie, of course, as we understand that even a single note on the guitar string will have an entire correlated frequency system (harmonics/partials) related to a central main basic root frequency (tone), nevertheless, as all physical vibrations follow the physics of the harmonic series, regardless of medium, we will perceive a coherent "note". There's some debatable degree of cerebral processing involved beyond the physical mechanisms of the human ear and the frequency "bins" it can perceive activity in. (resonant single-frequency sensors) but one can expect some memory of patterns here, and so one may expect some characteristic and unique "sounds" to be readily identifiable, regardless of their musical content. You will recall that being able to recognize the roar of a predator likely precedes music, lol. Additionally, much as the sense of smell is pre-cognitive, there is also pre-cognitive auditory function, and I'll not go into this at this juncture. What are the limits of human-recollection of distinctive sounds and how does this compare as far as broader definitions of a melody? I'm going to go out on a limb here and also note that the vast bulk of dance music is a beat and bassline, whose primary purpose is to make physically impressive sound waves when projected over large sound systems, such that one feels suitably impressed and one feels like moving and dancing in response, as surely such an overwhelming force can be the equivalent of darkness in the discoteque, aka "normal" folks who would "normally" be embarrassed to dance and prance around do so with great abandon and alacrity. Rhythm and characteristic sequences of this are an equally viable conduit to memory, however. Our societies are biased against a rhythm-centric approach, but it's interesting to note that that 3/2 ratio is both a basic unit of cross-rhythm syncopation, and, when sped up, is the musical interval known as the 5th, which your fellow Greek, Pythagoras, is credited with noting in his studies of the tuned string and harmonics and musical intervals. Ask any Punjabi about the Bhangra rhythms and if one can remember them as distinct musical patterns of some kind. Or, those characteristic 60's and 70's funk soul motown etc drum-grooves, such as Clyde Stubblefield (James Brown's drummer) and The Winstons "Amen" grooves that are featured in countless hip-hop and electronica songs. (or rather, "tracks" as we know that they aren't songs, lol...even though a track is like a single instrument recording (1 or more channels, but commonly characterized as a single mixer "channel" even if there are 6 channels stuck inside, as in the case of 5.1 surround, lol...) Alas, all 4 on the floor disco-based dance music styles bring absolutely zero to the table on the subject of rhythm. Future people will not be quoting our beats, lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 12 hours ago, mudpeople said: Supposedly psytrance died already in 2006 https://nabirecords.bandcamp.com/album/psytrance-is-dead Psytrance isn't dead, it just smells funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 12 hours ago, the goa constrictor said: Electric Universe is damn near as close to a Guilty Pleasure as I can think of. Boris is awesome Agreed. Plenty of his newer tracks still sound amazing, as do his collabs. He still has a magic touch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Eye Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 14 hours ago, mudpeople said: Supposedly psytrance died already in 2006 https://nabirecords.bandcamp.com/album/psytrance-is-dead Just like goa trance died in 1998 when X-Dream released Radio 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolmot Posted July 12, 2020 Share Posted July 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, Paul Eye said: Just like goa trance died in 1998 when X-Dream released Radio Wasn't it in 1997? The booklet says: R.I.P: Mother Theresa, Princess Diana, William Burroughs & Goa Trance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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