Padmapani Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 ah, then i'm sorry. i misunderstood and though you were arguing for the op's point of view. so we agree that a kick drum and some weird sounds can be enough to make a classic that stands the test of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsotsi Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 On 7/13/2020 at 5:26 PM, Basilisk said: I'm guessing this video is actually some kind of sneaky promo for his new album or something along those lines. I'm not sure why the mods haven't moved this somewhere or closed the thread, it's obviously just bait. Most engagement we have had for a while, I'd keep this thread running Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsotsi Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 On 7/14/2020 at 7:25 AM, AstralSphinx said: I'm stuck in some kinda impossible vortex, would love to know for how long? Is it some type of eternal alien quarantine? LET ME OUT OF IT! You can never escape the vortex 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 ive been stuck in a vortex for ages it seems, sorry astral buddy theres no way out : ( those people you see that did escape it had to probably sell their soul or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 12 minutes ago, astralprojection said: ive been stuck in a vortex for ages it seems, sorry astral buddy theres no way out : ( those people you see that did escape it had to probably sell their soul or something. agreed. i had to sell my soul to psytrance to advance and now be able to step to the stars. it was a hard decision but ultimately worth it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padmapani Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Tsotsi said: Most engagement we have had for a while, I'd keep this thread running this thread is even marked as "hot" with an orange bar. i think i've never seen that before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astralprojection Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Padmapani said: this thread is even marked as "hot" with an orange bar. i think i've never seen that before. must be the feature they had to shut down psynews over for 3 days, just recently 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluorosis Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 12 hours ago, Padmapani said: agreed. i had to sell my soul to psytrance to advance and now be able to step to the stars. it was a hard decision but ultimately worth it That's far too close to some of my more paranoid ac*d trips plot-lines for comfort, lol... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Ah interesting Fluorosis, seems we agree at least on the Blue Planet and (mostly "older") Boris Blenn stuff Btw. I am not even a fan of this early indus stuff or Neubauten, I just pulled them as example that non melodic stuff can become "kvlt" Re. SP, I think mostly their status is deserved but some of theirs are a bit overrated, they have huge tracks and some let downs, making complete albums sometimes a mixed bag. Even their hit Assimilate has weaknesses, it is too long drawn out without much change in the 2nd half imho. But back in the days such music was a "revelation"..might be I like their Canadian comrades from FLA a bit more, perhaps cause they have some dancefloor stompers but also soundtracks and game music etc. Plus some psytrance / IDM mixed in sometimes...a good mixture too were the first 2 Covenant albums ("techno-ebm"?) Also why I have a feeling that Fluorosis might not like my music..(mostly darker, sparse melodies, some noise) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsotsi Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 13 hours ago, AstralSphinx said: The topic name alone seems to be very effective in engaging people in discussions, which is good. Perhaps if we could have thumb-nails for the threads like the videos on youtube have, the clickbaity style of youtube could be fully embraced here too. Gotta keep up with the times, I'd vote for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikroMakro Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 Complex subject, complex melody or no complex melody, musical theory or no musical theory. Personally either complex melodic or not complex melodic tracks either have it or they don't. This is foremost dance music, its origins kicking up red laterite dust on the Goan shore line, so we can expect complex melody to have a second place to groove and atmosphere (which is often created using simple melody). Of close second importance this is trance music, the goal is to hypnotize, greater complexity melodically or with sonic layers tends to retract from this potential. I know from experience here. There are a few artists whose sound design and rhythmic programming / production discriminatory skill and attention to minuscule sonic detail stands out a cut above others IMO. Their music is as un-melodic as it could be but it is awesome and has the "spirit". I suspect this comes from immersion in the culture of Goa, living it ! You cannot intellectualize that. However, I do think melody is largely what makes tracks stand out in lieu of extremely skilled rhythmic sound design. But there is a fine line as this music is largely based around the Phrygian mode and this both limits and also gives it a worthy (and historic) home, this scale alone gives the mood, more or less dark/moody/intense/slightly eastern. So ultimately, to me personally it comes down to feel, it either has the something "Je ne sais quoi" or does not. How you got there or your knowledge does not mean very much to me, compared to how did I feel ? Traditional intellect has little place in the spiritual, consciousness expanding origins of this music. To use a rather nebulous word, for myself either a track imbues the spirit or not. What is that spirit if we "word" it ? Maybe a sense of openness, depth, space, intrigue, mystery, expanse, drive, hypnosis, sentiment, magic, togetherness, wonder, connected-ness, timeless-ness, distance, meditative focus on the moment, now. I think it is very difficult to gain the interest of those who solely or predominantly enjoy music from 25-15 years ago, you cannot garner favour against emotional sentimentality attached to memory, that is very powerful force. (even making retro tracks). Trying to make something new to penetrate the arena of sacred memories will be very difficult. (and I say that with respect as all of a certain age have them) I seemingly have more plays of my overtly retro sounding tracks than more modern sounding ones. Maybe it is because I have had some vision based concept for them and I conveyed it well and it resonated with more people. Whilst the O.P. made interesting points in his video I think he missed the aspect that extreme forms of music of any genre always tend to have their draw. Hi-Tech is not generally for me, but as it can be viewed as the extreme end of psy it will surely always have some following. I don't think psy trance conforms to the "trends" of other styles of dance music. It self propels through new experiences and advancement of the surrounding events and visual efforts, psy trance delivers a specific vibration and culture, no other genre encompasses this unique origin and international depth. By and large you know what you are going to get. To this end it is a scene like no other. Let people follow their own ways, you make this music because you love to, whatever happens is just part of the bigger flow, water finds its natural resting place. Do your thing for your little corner of the scene, be true to your little contribution. Life is short, put energy in with those and what resonates with your input. The rest will be a waste of energy. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proxeeus Posted July 15, 2020 Share Posted July 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, MikroMakro said: Do your thing for your little corner of the scene, be true to your little contribution. Life is short, put energy in with those and what resonates with your input. The rest will be a waste of energy. /thread 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
recursion loop Posted July 16, 2020 Share Posted July 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, AstralSphinx said: Scaled back psy-trance can sound very futuristic and interesting when the sounds are well sculpted, and the atmosphere is palpable. True that! Some of my favourite examples Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Multi-Media Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Found this video per coincidence and it seems to bring up some point which might support OPs view? The guy is movie score specialist of sorts and he seems right that even in this departement melodies got more sparse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open Source Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 All dark psy trance producers united, are a tiny little hair of my left nutball. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsotsi Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 23 hours ago, Open Source said: All dark psy trance producers united, are a tiny little hair of my left nutball. You obviously haven't listened to Symphonix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wamphyri Posted August 8, 2021 Share Posted August 8, 2021 On 1/14/2021 at 2:27 PM, Open Source said: All dark psy trance producers united, are a tiny little hair of my left nutball. Psytrance is ending up in a boring, lineal and lack of affection genre. When Goatrance started to fade out and Psytrance came into the scene, it was all lost in time and space. I can't take a liking to this: Gemini Spirit - Dark Euphoria (2021) While I lost my mind with this: The Delta - Thing (2000) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technosomy Posted August 10, 2021 Share Posted August 10, 2021 anything to dark and cold has no place in this world anymore a revolution has begun and only positive goa vibes will fit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psychedelic chipmunk Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 My take on it is a bit cynical. I consider psy to be quite complex. Sophisticated enough to make it lose its mass appeal. It's definitely easier to digest the so called trance music that's being produced today. On a more positive note, what's being produced today is mostly not psy, so old school lives on Quality product is meant for quality people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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