Guest Pswede Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 You guys that have released stuff on labels... did you send your demos to different labels.. (the same demos) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest triplex Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 the best thing is to find someone who you trust who knows label owners and he can play them the song. giving it to a lot of people might be bad because in the end the person with which you are going to have a contract might not enjoy seeing your track in dat-trade lists and finally cancel the whole thing. but in the first steps just send it anywhere you want.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted March 6, 2002 Share Posted March 6, 2002 Well you just need to make small cuts or pauses in the tracks every 3rd minute or so and then send it off to as many labels as you please... then noone will copy the tracks to their label friends since the tracks are no good for parties.. Just make sure that you notice the labels your reason for cutting or pausing the tracks.....so they dont think that the original tracks are like that :-) I and many other artists do it this way! Good luck....:-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest triplex Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 yes EP this is a known method, but just imagine someone in a label receiving such a track from a begginer/unknown artist. he will most likely throw the cd in the trash. also most people in labels will want to 'test' the tracks in the croud in a party. later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 Well if the record label is serious they will understand ! Believe me I know new acts that have done this and still landed a contract. If the label A&R person (artist and repetoire) or whatever person that listen to the music cant make up his/her mind about the tracks without having to play it in a party then he/she should look for another job! A true professional A&R person will know it when they hear a good track! - Without the excuse of playing it in a party! The problem here is that too many psy/goa labels are runned by amateurs that do not know the first thing about quality music and many times they have started the label so they can get their share of fame and get their hands on as much music as possible so the can call them selves DJ's! Pswede trust me when I advise you to do it the way I described in my first post. Afterall I do have more than 12 years of experience in the international music business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest psychopat Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 And what about sending a CD burned with mp3 files @ 256kbps rigth after mixing (no mastering or just a little bit ). No breaks, still playable (just to check at a party), can't be used as master for release. Will the resulting quality be enough for the label to check wether tracks are good or not? Or do they really need the artist-own-mastered files to check the audio quality? I think that mastering (especially for compilations) is done in a studio by the label sound engineer (Am I wrong?). So the final quality (Eq, Compression, Exciter...) expected will be reached by the label itself (as long as the original track quality is not horrible of course). Like Triplex said, the label owner might throw the demo so what to do? Is it a so bad thing to try to get something from our own work. I do not speak here only about releasing something but why not being able to trade label released/unreleased tracks for the ones you will send to them in full-CD quality after they choose which ones on your mp3-burned CD's. Too complex, perhaps??? 'Afterall I'm a totally newbie in the international music business!' >The problem here is that too many psy/goa labels are runned by >amateurs that do not know the first thing about quality music >and > many times they have started the label so they can get >their share of fame and get their hands on as much music as >possible so > the can call them selves DJ's! some names...... some names.... no I'm joking (no polemic). Is it so true? I always ask myself how can those DAT dj's have access to artists DAT's (and so much) Do they all know each other wery well = big psy family? Are they label-owners that bring demo tracks with them? What are the keys to get into those trading circles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 I see no point in sending mp3's...A professional label want to hear the real sound quality! Again the labels do not need to play the tracks in a party in order to decide if they want to release it! If the label A&R / owner throw away the demo CD then I would not even consider releasing my music with him/her! - Again teh serious labels will understan why you ahve made pauses in your tracks...they do not mind! Well the labels have label Dj's and Dj friends and they also in many cases are Dj's themselves.... so a big time swopping goes around and only the true professional serious labels keep it at a minimum with selected Dj's! By the way if a label decide to release the music the they will get the full unbroken tracks and can then give it to their dj's for promotion! I won't mention any label names here... I do not think it's my place to bad name any people or labels here! It's that simple! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ether Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 I agree 100% with everything Elysium Project has said. Though, it is always nice to receive tracks without pauses or skips once in a while On that note, my label, CATALEPSY RECORDS, is going to be releasing a comp in the near future. If you would like your track to be considered please email me at psyhrmony@hotmail.com. I and my assoc will not download any tracks! Tracks with pause or skips(unless freequent) will not be disregarded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tripoholic Posted March 7, 2002 Share Posted March 7, 2002 ether download my track and see if u want it to realesed on your label ) seriosly.. ut this track has changed a little bit i added some sounds and stuff:) (i am new to this @!#$) with access virus ... and the quality here is terrible so dont pay attention to it (sorry for the bad english but i think u understand) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ether Posted March 8, 2002 Share Posted March 8, 2002 we will not download any tracks! if you want the track to be considered email us at the email above and we will tell you how to get the demo to us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest funktion Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 right on elysium..i've dug your stuff since way back when..used to live in dk actually..anyways, how would inserting pauses really keep anybody with an audio editor from putting it back together anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 Hi funktion. Where do you live now? Well off course you can't prevent people if they decide to edit the music. If a record label or their labels Dj's start to do things like that...well then I am pretty sure that they will loose a lot of artists pretty fast...afterall our scene is quite small and things like that will fast be known by most artists! By the way all artists should registrate every single track they do with their national music copyright organisation. It wont help out with the editing but at least they are secured if it should happen that a label "steal" their music and release it! It does happen in rare occasions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest funktion Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 yeah, i'm an american citizen (whatever that means!), but i lived in dk for 9 years..i live in oregon, usa now...the danish government kicked me out a few years back...so i'm stuck in this godforsaken place..oh well..hva' sa..gar det godt derhjemme?.. back to the subject.. it seems to me then that it is more a matter of trust then..i mean, you say that artists would be pissed at a label if they re-edited them back into songs, but if i send a complete song (even with a note saying please don't copy this), and it's copied, then i'm just asking for it..or hmm..yeah..doen't really matter much to me anyway at the moment, considering i've never had anything released(or even tried to), i think i would be totally stoked if i heard it at a party..but i guess i'd be dissapointed if that ruined any chance i had for getting it released too.. on a side note, i noticed in some of your other posts, that your label was accepting demos...any particular style of psytrance your looking for?..just so i know if i should even bother..peace.. funktion (proud citizen of spaceship earth) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 Why did you get kicked out of Denmark? ... Sounds awfull ! Well Avatar release (or at least plan to) a broad variety of styles from goa/psy to downbeat dubby ambient and beyond! By the way it's not my label I am only doing some A&R work for them. You are always welcome to send me your music. You can email me to get my address! have a nice weekend. Kristian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest funktion Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 yeah, well i moved there with my parents when i was 12..they left when i was 17, and the government let me stay to finish school..until they found out i wasn't going to school..oops..damn party scene.. so, if i were to send an uncut demo to you in the hopes that "maybe" you would like it, and "if" you did, you might play it for somebody at a label..could i trust you not to copy it around, which could then effectivly ruin any chance of it ever being released? this thread has started to make me think about the issue..i mean i know about the dat-mafia and all, but i never thought of the fact that it being played out could hurt the chances of it being released..kinda makes me re-think even putting it up online..i mean sending it to particular people beats just randomly sending copies around the world, not knowing where it's gonna end up..i know the iboga boys, but i don't make minimal, and i really wouldn't know where else to start..that is why sites and threads like this are so great, and your input and experience are much appriciated...just try doing a search for info like this, haha.. ...thankz.. funktion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest funktion Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 oh yeah, and another quick question..do most labels expect you to get your songs mastered yourself, or is that something they prefer to do with their own people? funktion "Paradise is not a place..it's a state of mind" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Protex Midget Posted March 9, 2002 Share Posted March 9, 2002 Im not sure, but i think the labels do the mastering themselves (or they send it to a professional). I guess it's becuase you need expensive equipment to do pro mastering, and most artists can't afford this equipment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Reece Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 RE: mastering, send em the best finished version of your tracks that you can! if that means you pay someone to master it for you, do it! if you can afford it. - you CAN find quality, inexpensive studios to get your work mastered at. if you have written a killer track, it deserves the best sound possible! and of course the production and sound quality are going to affect the decision to release it or not. but also send the unmastered versions too, because in the end, if they decide to release it, they'll want to have it mastered themselves, no matter how good it sounds already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted March 10, 2002 Share Posted March 10, 2002 Well funktion I am an artists myself so you can be pretty sure that I do not copy other people's music! - I hate when my music is being copied by the "DAT mafia" too! As for mastering listen to Protex and Reece. Just do your best to make the track(s) sound good. If the label like the music and decide to release it they will do the mastering! By the way I have never said that a unreleased track that are being played in parties will have a less chance to be released! - But the fact is that the more people that have heard the track and got it on DAT's, tapes, CD-R's ect. - the less the release will sell. Especially if the track has been played all over the world 2-6 months before getting released! That's why artists and some record labels have a clause in their contracts that avoid both label and artist to copy the track(s) to other people! But a pre-release promotion with selected dj's a month or so before the release is always a good thing so people remember the track(s) from the parties! That will sometime boost the sale a bit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ancient Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 most serious labels will put it on in a studio with monitors and listen to the whole dat/cd/whatever , engineers will know if its good or not, trust me, these guys have a good ear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ancient Posted April 5, 2002 Share Posted April 5, 2002 by the way, when u send your demo to a label, it doesnt have to b pro mastered, its in the word DEMO, its just to give them a demonstration of what u can do. if they are interested u can let them take care of the final master, remember, a demo is just to show what your good for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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