Guest Question Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 Hi all , i would like to know what you guys favourite platform is for music making..? Do you use HARDWARE sequencers or only soft ? Mine is : Mac for logic and spark (unfortunatly i dont OWN one:) ) PC for some other stuff..... (the most because of the reason mentioned above!) Greetz K. Ps: Atari users can mention that as wel !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nick Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 well recently logic has been bought outright by apple so using any new logic software on pc wont happen. i use a pc. i dont think that there is any real difference apart from one is multi tasking the other is not. this makes macs more stable (allegedly!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Psylent Buddhi Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 Whoups, you might trigger another 'war on platforms' with this thread... sure hope that isn't the case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strumpling Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 yeah..... I'm not touching this one...... -=- Matt/Strumpling -=- *ahem!* macintosh >cough!< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kiph The Elephant Posted August 28, 2002 Share Posted August 28, 2002 PC of course. No other computer comes even close. PC is the only puter that has those wonderful Microsoft products. Bill Gates is such a hero of mine. When Bill takes over the world it will be the mac users that are beheaded first. Oh glory to Bill and his great wisdom! Yeah PC is for me. Don't actually make music much. Just play around a bit. Mostly use it for writing school papers, surfing the net and playing games. The ability to make music is just a nice bonus. For music making my old slow computer really isn't all that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest llazi Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Well I think PC are far more better : 1. You find much more software for a PC platform 2. Cheaper 3. The % of people using PC ovehelm that of the MAC users 4. If u want to replace (or buy) a piece of hardware u will see that the PC is the better one (price, variaty, consulting...) And a lot of other arguments. Anyway the only think I thought MAC would be better was the stability. But now after my X-Dream party in Shkup in wich their MAC crashed 2 time during a 1 1/2 apparence, i changed my mind. At the end I think that my 3 argument will answer PC RULES. when the time will come the the MAC users overhelm PC users then we can do the whole debate again. peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Question Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 i dont wanna start a war , i have witniced them enough here No just curious .. i dont Prefer any platform Mac: better Clock and gigaflops rate Pc: kicks ass to Love them both ! Just wanted some other musicians opinion ! Greets! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andreas of Amygdala Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 I have to argue about this - I just bought a Mac, and was very nervous about it at first... But here are some counterparts for the arguments above: Stability: It all comes down to what your extension-set is like on the mac - if you're running a lean one, without unneeded fancy doo-dads, then stability is not an issue compared to PC - if you have authentic versions of software, and don't use ASIO-drivers, that is... Extensions are to Mac what drivers are to PCs (almost - I think - I'm still new to this...) - and they can do wonderfull things for the beast - or, unfortunately, the quite opposite... Trial and error! Software: All plugins, and that sort comes (as far as I know) for both Mac and PCs... The real deal are the small apps, of which I don't know of any cool ones for the PC - For the mac, there are plenty. My most recent *wow*-experience was about SuperCollider: a programing language entirely devoted to sound and music. Metasynth, absynth, various WAVE-editors... Mac is the way, and all the innovations comes to Mac first. If you for some reason decide to run PC-apps... Get VirtualPC for Mac. For smaller apps, it works great! Even my Microsoft Windows runs better on the Mac - a bit though-provoking, isn't it...? Users: More and more people are switching to Mac with experience in music-creation... I'd like to think there is a reason for that, and I may actually already have found it - my point is, the more serious people get about the music, the bigger the chance of taking the great leap - that's my impression anyway - I'm not saying that people who use PCs are not serious, and not very clever, mind you Price: Yep, got a point there... Mac is still too expensive!! Cheers from a new Mac'dict - though I stil use (and love) my PC!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 "More and more people are switching to Mac with experience in music-creation" Just to clear something for you guys and gals. Mac is the industry standard computer in 95% of all recording studio's...whonder why?...well ask youself! And about the ongoing PV v. Mac claims from PC users that never have even touched a Mac I don't give a s*** about your made - up knowledge. Before you start to claim this and that about Mac's I suggst you actually try one first hand. "A Mac & PC user" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest llazi Posted August 29, 2002 Share Posted August 29, 2002 Hey Andreas of Amygdala good thoughts, but the problem is that all the little progz or whatever u have on MAC, multiplied by 10 are released for the PC. U have to regonize one think, a software developer is clear about his product sellings, and I can guarantee u that the first version or in many cases the only one is for the PC. Why, because of the money. I studied my self computer science and I know very well that the MAC structure is much better then the PC, but I'm talking about year 2002 situation, and that's the fact. Year 2002 - PC rules Year ???? - MAC rules Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nick Posted August 30, 2002 Share Posted August 30, 2002 actually a lot of professional studios are turning towards pc's, heard of the Carillon? i got one of those beauties and they are soooo good. i can run 72 tracks of audio with about 20 plugins and my processor only runs at 700mhz. also its soooo quiet , makes less fan noise than a mac. basically they build thjem speifically for your main application and soundcard. macs were the best - not any more. ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andreas Christensen Posted August 30, 2002 Share Posted August 30, 2002 Hi llazi The thing about Mac software, is that often the brilliant people who develope them, don't give a hoot about sales... Many app's are available as freeware. The SuperCollider p.lang. for instance - completely free! Not that brilliant people don't develope for PC... About the platform-question... Wouldn't it be possible to write crap-code for a motorola processor? Indeed... The "fact" that Mac is a better platform, doesn't make the program it runs better - it's all in the little lines of code you must know pretty well - studying CS... As myself That's the concern of the hobby-programmer, who builds the REALLY cool app's - qua-li-taei No release dates, no worries about sellability, no tailoring, process-oriented developing, just puuuure quality - that's what makes the good ones gooood (and the bad ones crap...). Incidently theese hobby-programmers who're into sound mostly program for Mac - at least the goooood ones.... In my opinion PS. Did you finish CS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted August 30, 2002 Share Posted August 30, 2002 "actually a lot of professional studios are turning towards pc's" Yeah for accounting and office programs :-) Having been a professional musician for now nearly 10 years recording in a lot of professional and semi-profesional studios around Europe I can 100% confident - as I did in my previous post - that 95% of all studio's use Mac's. I personally do not care if a studio use a PC but I know that if I want quality and stability then I would go with a mac 100% of the time. I would aslo never ever use a PC for my graphic work! I use a PC for office things and conferencing/chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest monno Posted August 31, 2002 Share Posted August 31, 2002 the problem with pc´s is that you have to have a minor engineering certificate in order to put together a music pc. in the mac everything is built or at least approved by apple and therefore it works by default. the problem with instability on the pc is simply that there are too many places it can go wrong if you don´t know what soft/hardware to use with what. this is not something that most musicians are willing to spend time on. subsequently i think that as a starting point the mac´s have the advantage the extensions are a really nice way of dealing with add ons. if it doesn´t work you just delete the extension. maintaining a mac system is much more hassle free than a pc.but and there is a but in my world. i use pc and i wont change why??? cause i know the pc, i know what i can use and what i cant to keep my system stable regarding both soft/hardware it all comes down to experience with the platform and with ten years of pc experience there is no reason for me to change. the processing power is the same for mac and pc the factors that can change this is the implementation of different tech´s like the size of l1 and l2 caches, fsb rate ram speed and so on, so if you look at pc´s now they offer more than twice the processing power (all differences taken into account) for half the prize. the only catch is you gotta know what you´re doing. ohh yeah what type of computer do you think is used in giant cluster computer arrays???? i should think stability is the case here, it all depends on what you put in them. i´m sorry if i come about as a bit of a mac critic but it´s frustrating to hear so many people complain about pc´s when in 90% of the cases the error is approximately 40 cm. in front of the screen.... get it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted August 31, 2002 Share Posted August 31, 2002 Well mono I do agree to some extend but then again I do prefer to have a computer that also actually have a nice design. PC's are so damn boring and very very badly designed. But I will always keep telling new upcoming producers to use a Mac...why? Because of mac's much easier system (as you said yourself) and the fact that the best software still is developed for Mac's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest monno Posted August 31, 2002 Share Posted August 31, 2002 yes the design is something that bothers me 2 but for the most part my computer is so noisy that i lock it up in my desk. he he lazy mans way of improving the design flaws of pc´s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andreas of Amygdala Posted August 31, 2002 Share Posted August 31, 2002 Monno: Not to change subject or anything - the cluster arrays are built with PCs because of the price - since the are indeed arrays, stability is not an issue - if one system fail, the other will take over, and software can reboot the failed system - redundancy It's obviously better to design arrays from PCs, since the multitasking is no issue either - more PCs, more simultanious (spelling?) processes - a process on each computer => more points of failure, and incidently way greater fault-tolerance (only the running process is affected, not a "batch" of processes...) I guess my point is, that for some tasks, PCs are better suited - In my opinion, music is not one of them... Being a PC veteran myself (17 years running) I know the quirks and shortcomings of the PC - which I don't for Mac, yet - but the PCs shortcoming are reason enough for me to switch... Taste - it's a weird thing .oO Andreas Oo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted August 31, 2002 Share Posted August 31, 2002 wow 3 danes on this forum...it must be a record :-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andreas of Amygdala Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Oh yeah Didn't notice.... Monno, By any chance, do you study CS at Århus university? That would be rather cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Full Lotus Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 Andreas PC's will only support Disk arrays and fault tolerancing with a proper OS, ie NT4, W2K, XP, Unix, Linux etc. No good if you're using win98. Anyway, music and multimedia aside, you get more games for the PC platform...Now if you want a stable platform, go Linux/Unix, just a shame that there's not much software out there for these platforms - music software that is.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andreas of Amygdala Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 Full Lotus: Totally agree - however, Linux and Unix are still based on the PCs (micro-)architecture, and the diverse manufactors of hardware acounts for a lot of compatibility-issues... Linux and Unix seems fairly stable indeed, and you're right about he absence of cool software - so far For arrays - computational or storage - I would definetly go with a Unix-based system. Oh, on second thought - if you go Unix on a SUN-machine or some system with motorola-CPU's I'm with ya... But those systems are closer to a mac, than to a PC, in my opinion. All aside, music is the general topic here - so I'm voting for Mac. Does anyone know what is meant by "true multitasking"? 'Cuase if it's what I think it is, no computer - PC or mac, or whatever - with a single processor will support it... In these systems, timesharing is the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Full Lotus Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 Multitasking is only really available if you have at least 2 CPU's and ALOT of RAM. Again, Unix, Linux, NT, W2K and XP allow multitasking. I can't comment on Macs, as I have never used them (I won't comment on them either until I do) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andreas of Amygdala Posted September 3, 2002 Share Posted September 3, 2002 Well obviously I forgot a "not" when I said that the single-processor machine will "not" support it.... Shame on me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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