Guest MonoXide Posted August 31, 2002 Share Posted August 31, 2002 Hello peeps!Do you like make psychedelic trance on Reason 2 ? If yes please contact with me.We can make rea;;y professional psytrance on computer & etc. Boom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted August 31, 2002 Share Posted August 31, 2002 Professional? In your dreams mate :-) It's to piss on people's money to release music done in reason and fruityloops. For amature fun it's cool but not for professional use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blink Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 i truly enjoy making music with reason. i personally think that its possible to make 'professional' music. it just depends on the approach and music style. sure the export quality may not allow 32bit floating point blah blah blah, but a raw track out of reason, mastered properly can sound pretty damn good. take a listen ....organicparadox-grimmel........ not to argue with elysium, as he has more than enough leverage through experience to be absolute in his opinions, but reason is a damn fine prog, and i stand behind it (or beside it, or underneath it) blink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 It's nothing to do with not enjoying to make music with reason or not. But again Reason lack a lot of sound quality...that's a fact. No matter how good your sound card is or how good a mastering you get there's no way around teh bush...Reason is NOT for professional use. I honestly think that it's stealing peole's money if you release your music done with reason..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 The track you refer to is ok...that's all...not really a good enough sound quality in my ears....I am not refering to the track but the production quality. It lack better prossesed effects (reason's efefcts are a joke) and the whole stereo picture is very flat. Of course it easy enough to use a good kick.... That can be done in almost every tracker program but be honest now mate. The sound is far from what you can do with quality gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blink Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 maybe so. but i never have plans of the track being played through a high definition sound system. and through the speakers in my car, or the sound system in my house, it sounds very clear, very vibrant, and much more dynamic after mastering. i guess i'm just offering an alternative to the mindset of audiophiles in the area of production. not everyone has the ear to truly hear the difference in quality. it takes a trained ear, and a conscious effort of the average listener to even grasp what you are talking about. still though, when all arguments are said and done, reason is not up to par with say cubase for sound export quality. blink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cosmic gopher Posted September 1, 2002 Share Posted September 1, 2002 Perhaps I am wrong but I thought that many of the musicians I listen to use these programs in their music. I'm not sure but Infected Mushroom, Psysex, and Texas Faggot are a few names that I recall reading that they used soft synths (sometimes) instead of real gear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 you can be sure that Infected and the rest do not use Reason as their main source for music production...Maybe they use a sound or 2 once in a while but that's it. They use sequence programs such as Logic or Cubase and many other quality softsynths and hardware too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blink Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 to squash this post so that everyone will be happy: reason=not professional, cubase=professional blink "God forbid i actually have my own opinion, even if its wrong".......blackie joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mk-11 Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 why are you ripping people off??? music is for the people to decide on what they pay for... by what your going on is just because something is cheaper and a bit substanded it means no one should make money off of it??? well all the rock bands out there that do pub gigs and that own a cheaper guitar compared to a Maton guitar or Esp guitar shouldn't get paid??? for that matter any one who owns behringer should quit cause they don't own mackie....??? every dj that owns gemini or numark better pack up cause their gear isn't as professional as say pioneer and vestax... all cause there gear is less in professional quality... if only the rich where allowed to produce and make money off their gear cause they are more well off than another artists in cash and gear.. well quite frankly music would not be how we know it as today.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest like you care Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 hmm seams u guys drifted off the subject, but it was intersting to read, as for my point of view: you need a real good sequencer prog like cubase, logic, cakewalk, etc...and a mastering prog like, soundforge, cool edit pro, wavelab, etc.. now u need sounds to, either from a hardware synth or a software synth, hardware to prefer if u whant it simple and clean, software synths needs more power but can sound real good like the pentagon 1, for example... and as i can see it...flp and reason are good instruments, you can make som good sounds and export them, but for producing "ready for record deal music" those progs arnt top notch...but i dont say its impossible...i bet there are people out there that makes wicked music with these progz and one thing also to remember, a good soundcard, studio monitors, mixer, and a midi synth and other synths also, for high quality production well im not using any expensive gear(exept all the warez;) but i know that i sure will need it if i wanna continue and grow with my music, you have a dream, you have a vision, thats the main thing....use whatever you have and if u feel its to little, do something about it.. Elysium Project is correct when he says that people need to understand that good sound quality is of great importance when you buy a record, and most of all for the respect of the producer, but if you just gonna play for fun its no big deal... all i have to say now is: listen to Logic Bomb and feel the sounds..ohh man they are fucking great...more of that kind if possible =P and dont miss miraculix, also a great producer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mk-11 Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 i agree that cubase is superior in quality and sound than reason... i just don't agree with the "being paid" aspect.. i know the people that have stated things know what they are talking about.. but basically by what is said if you don't have the best quality you shouldn't get paid for what you do.... if it's crap and sounds crap people won't buy it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 mk-11 that was not at all what I meant. What I properly failed to say is that there are many talents (aswell as many non-talents) out there and of course talent have nothing to do with sound quality on the first hand. What I was trying to communicate is that too many labels release shitty sound quality records done by hopefull but not yet "professional" artists. It would be cool if the sound quality was ok but it seem to me that the labels are just out to make a quick buck and are indeed laughing down to the bank (i ment labels not artists in my prior post - evethough I am sure there's some artists that laugh all the way down to tehe bank). I have spoken top quite a deal of record shops and distributors (the major ones that actually could make goa/psy sell a lot better) and they say that one of the main reasons why they don't feel that there's a market for them with this music is because there's too many releases that sound the same (amatures copying their favourite bands) and because the sound quality is too poor on 65% of all the releases they get. They also mentioned the very unprofessional and low cost promotion as a barrier. So you see what I am geting at is that there should be less but more professional labels releasing more quality music. It's just too easy to relase music in this scene.... Some will say that's cool ...... I think drag down our scene. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spiralix Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 haha! piss on peoples money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wouter Posted September 2, 2002 Share Posted September 2, 2002 I have have a hardware studio, but work alot with Reason2 as well, mainly because of the Redrum. I export all the stuff I made in Reason as 'dry' Wavs to my sequenser (Sonar2 - which rules!) and add effects/compression/EQ etc. in Sonar, Pulsar, or with my external FX processor Lexicon MPX500. Reason is most definitly an awesome program which makes producing alot easier, but I agree with Elysium that Reason's FX are rather poor and Reason alone isn't enough for high-quality releases (soundwise) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MonoXide Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Hello again, many professional (Known music project) used Reason.And i can say yo all music makers (on PC) : what reason-good software for professional music. If you can understand all nuances by R2 you can make really professional sound.It`s really!Is checked up!Many who listen musci by my music project don`t know where we make it! BooM! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 It's got nothing to do with understanding the nuances of Reason MonoXide. I do understand all there is to understand about working with Reason (I have worked with music software since the first Cubase 1.0 came out). The main issue is that Reason just aren't good enough when it comes to it's sound engine. It really aren't an issue. It's a fact. I have listened to your music (the 192 version) that you send the link for and to be frank your soundquality did not at all impress me. I am aware of that it's an mp3 file but even so your sound production need to be improved many times in order for me to find it professional. This has nothing to do with the actual composing and choice of sounds, drums ect. but only about the sound quality or lack of it. Again I don't care if you use reason for fun but I do find it to be cheating people out of their money when they buy music of so poor sound quality. I know that some people properly don't know the difference but that does not make it a better excuse for an producer to go on compormise with the soundquality. What about "educating" people to listen to quality instead of quantity? I am sure they will notice the difference and appriciate the fact that the artist/producer respect them enough to make an effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slidingtrancer Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 There are a lot of people around who use Reason for making psy and have a reasonable sound. There are however a few with the ears and with the pure talent to make it sound really good. Reason alone sounds poor, I agree. The FX are a laugh, the subtractor lacks depth and so on... But the sound and quality of a track is not only measured by production-quality. The quality lies within the track and with reasonable mastering the reasonable sounding REASON-artists ( wow... got really stuck on that word) can have a 'GOOD' track. The people who do have the ear and talent CAN get more out of Reason and can get a 'decent' production quality and master it efficiently into a nicely mastered and professional sounding piece. I have heard many artists of the first category and very few of the second. I think an artist like Flech(Reasonstation) gets a lot out of Reason soundwise, but I know the limits can be pushed further. I think only a few gifted people can be able to get a really decent sound out of Reason and most cannot. I do agree with Elysium in a certain extent that it will not sound like pro-stuff when I exports out of Reason. But using a good soundcard, 96000 Hz 24 bit exporting and sound engineering it can really go far... When it comes down to it, it depends on the talent and the ear of the artist for about 80% and on the gear for 20%.. Just my two cents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blink Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 well i've got to agree with you whole heartedly sliding trancer. a sharp pencil in the hand of the common man is chicke scratch compared to that same pencil in the hands of davinci or m.c. escher. its all what you make of it. i felt that elysium's comments are a huge discouragement to those artists out there who have chosen reason as a medium for their art. furthermore for artists out here like myself, that are using reason as a learning tool, it seems implied that we are missing the whole point of making trance by not having the trained ear to want to move on to better equipment. not to cause contention with elysium, as i have the greatest respect for his musical prowess and the accomplishments that he's made in this industry. just my 2 bits. blink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ethereal phaze Posted September 7, 2002 Share Posted September 7, 2002 i get pretty good quality with reason... i think.. ?? When i look back at my older Reason trax i hear the lack of sound quality, and my latest trax are top notch quality! And i got a friend that uses Reason and a couple of hardware synths (he does not master better sequenser progs enough yet) and it sounds VERY CLEAN!! even in low quality mp3 it sounds very fresh!! A beautifully Painted picture can look good and enchanting even if the paper painted on is old and muddy. I care more where the music takes me even if it sounds unclear than good sound quality with perhaps lacks of imaginations. also i think its "charmy" with a little bit muddy productions some times.. if it have imagination. sounds underground.. u know... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tim ThickkKKkk Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 E.P.: So where can i download your tracks youhave made with reason and fruity???? or are you again all talk no trousers ??????? "you can never judge a musicsoftware without making one complete tack with it. I KNOW." 7im0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 24/96 Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 what's weird is you mention you own both reason 1.0 & 2.0 in a previous post... "Author: Elysium Project (---.ds1-hhl.adsl.cybercity.dk) Date: 09-02-02 13:40 Just one thing.....I do have Reason (1 + 2) so I know what I am talking about!" so you know it has an inferior sound engine right ....so why would you E.P waste that amount of money it costs on a program that you are not gonna use, cause it's like pissing on peoples money as you say... so in saying this you either got a pirate copy obviously or someone gave you a pirate copy....and you pass down judgement on those that pirate cd's...you are nothing but a one eyed pirate yourself..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elysium Project Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 Actually 24/96 I did not pirate is as you suggest. I got got from a friend that moved on to a better "setup" and I only wanted it to play around with it for fun. So before you start to accuse people of things you got no insight to you should be better informed. To Tim: I have never and will never make a track in Reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tec Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 at the end of the day.. your not going to be able to make a track send it to a label as a wav to be released as is.. surely a label will arrange studio time and production engineers? (depends on label I expect.) but if the label isn't a high budget label then people who buy the cds obviousley arn't looking for spot on crystal clear sound.. and appreciate the music for it's creativity/energy don't know about psy trance, but some of the best techno music is from amateur/semi-pro producers.. local techno!! keep the vibe alive, stop bitching.. I started off with software, got better software, got bit's of hardware when it was cheep.. nowt wrong with second hand synths etc.. (or is there a lack of sound quality? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blink Posted September 9, 2002 Share Posted September 9, 2002 my track i made in reason got offered to be released by a label. and i didn't hear one gripe about production. i didn't agree to release because i know that i can do better, but i agree with tec, music from the underground has a special ring to it that will always sound sweeter in my ears. and elysium, you should learn to appreciate music for what it is man. or at least appreciate that top-notch production does not make a song great. and you may be accepting of that, but your condescending attitude towards the common man's studio, is getting old in this post. blink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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