Guest Alison Posted January 6, 2004 Share Posted January 6, 2004 Hi people! Is there anyone with a few experience in releasing his/her own tracks to a label?? I'm about releasing a couple of tracks to a label and I don't wanna be ripped off!! How much money should I expect?? (PLEASE BEAR IN MIND THIS:I don't want to know who You are or the name of the label(s) You're working with;I ask You PLEASE,PLEASE! give me as much details as You can (this topic coud be really helpful to other persons). Thanks in advance,Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Snoz Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Depends on which label and how good you are at negotiating. I presume it is your first release. I have gotten between 0 to somewhere around 500-600 USD as an adnvance. Roylties 16% - 50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alison Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWER!! ...yes.i't my first release. 500-600 dollars for just one track? That's a lot of money! Did You got it with Your first release? Or You have worked on many other tracks before arriving to a similar amount? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest soliptic Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 i very strongly doubt you will find a psy label these days willing to pay a brand new artist ANY advice, let alone 600USD. in case you people hadnt noticed the psy scene was tiny to start with (eg 2000-CD runs of albums), and is totally fucked now, i mean, even flying rhino goes bust. labels have no money. every label i have negotiated with has said they cannot give any advance. even if they did I think it would probably be small. No more than 300USD at a guess. i imagine Snoz either you are one HELL of a negogiator, or you have a reasonable number of releases behind you, or else i'm a really SHIT negogiator, and i'm talking to all the wrong labels i'm not saying u dont get advances in the scene at all anymore.... i dare say GMS have the clout, I dare say Twisted have the cash... but an unheard of artist getting their first release,thats almost certainly gonna be on a smaller label, who wont offer them advance. as for royalty... well the one contract i have signed so far says 18% so I guess Snoz is onto something there. to be honest i found that VERY low, my housemates in thednb scene usually get 50% split with label. but, this contract was 18% of gross profit whereas there's is 50% of net, so its not QUITE as bad as it sounds. Still.... I rather hope that in the future , with more tracks behind me, releasing for bigger labels, I will get more than 18% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alison Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 I'm getting a clearer idea now...(THNX Soliptic!!) ...the overall situation is not really attractive... So the only way to load up some $$ is working at the same time to a couple of different projects.Probably it only pays in the short run but I can recover the money I've spent for the instruments at least. Any other xperience?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Noope Posted January 7, 2004 Share Posted January 7, 2004 Be VERY Happy if you get anything... Most labels and their so called managers are either people who really loves the scene and doesn't care about money (yes, there are a few of them left... all respect to these people). And there are... the "coooool" DJs who has played 2-3 parties and wants to become "a label manager" to get some reputation as a superstar psytrance DJ and a goodlookin' girlfriend who likes to fuck a "superstar DJ" and to get some free coke. They will lie to you, promise you a lot of money but you won't get a dollar out of them...cos the on't have any money - complete loosers. If you want to make som money out of this scene: Copy a sound that is popular at the moment ( probably GMS...booooring full on or even more boooring progressive). Make sure that you have a good sound quality and try to sell it to a big label. If they like it you could make a couple of hundred dollars. If you want to make some cool, freaky and groundbreaking psy music... do like this: Make your music, send it to ome cool, freaky and groundbreaking labels. Don't expect any money from them cos they doesn't have any. To get te money... Make house, its boring booooring but there is a lot of money in it. Enjoy !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Snoz Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 "500-600 dollars for just one track? That's a lot of money! Did You got it with Your first release?" yes, but it was a couple of years ago. After that the advance has gone down, down, down. The latest tracks I got around 300 USD. So 500-600 is probably very much today. About the label managers I have to agree. Be carefull. I don´t want to point at any particular label, but watch out for the isra labels. Have screwed a number of people. If you have someone who understands contracts, let them read it before you sign. I have recieved contracts where it said you will get this amount blablabla then if you read and understand further it basically reads, but if you dont get anything there is pretty much nothing you can do about it. Even if you are not in it for the money, you don´t want an idiot label manager to earn money for ripping you of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Alison Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Do the labels accept copyrighted material? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest soliptic Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 your material is copyrighted to you the moment you make it so the only uncopyrighted material labels could ever recieve would be tracks that the author had explicity placed into the public domain in the traditional "record deal", you have to sign over your copyright before they will release the track and pay you your dollar. nowadays however i have encountered a lot of small labels who prefer to sign simple publishing agreements, frequently non-exclusive, so its not so cut-and-dried anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Catalyst Posted January 8, 2004 Share Posted January 8, 2004 Or you could give me some hard dark psytrance, let me put vocals to it, and pass it off as a new form of industrial that the "techno" crowd can dig. A crossover act like that would be marketable... and with the right touches could even form a new mainstream vocal electronic sound. Currently I'm studying up on psytrance to find bits of technique I can use in conjunction with my own synthpop/industrial sound. It's sounding very cool so far, but I'm a long ways off from achieving a sound worthy of comparison to my normal straight up synthpop/industrial sound. Imagine if industrial/futurepop was music with cool vocals and awesome music rather than cool vocals and half assed music like the stuff that's bringing in the record deals from Metropolis right now. Anyone want to try? Couldn't hurt to experiment. I'm picky, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grahf Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 you've an interesting idea there Catalyst... VNV Nation is awesome, Covenant is OK, but they have so many half assed imitators... Funker Vogt, Assemblage 23 and I'm sure many more I'm not aware of. "EBM" these days seems to basically mean hard trance with vocals... not very inspiring. But replace the "straight" trance with something much harder and darker and you might have something indeed... Personally I'm more interested in chillout and dub so I can't help ya much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hyperlite Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 that is why they call that Future Pop now it's not industrial anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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